joelpeck88 at hotmail.com
Sun Aug 26 16:50:11 EDT 2007
The self-loathing on both sides is so thick and rich, you could drizzle it
>From: musicscribe at gmail.com
>Reply-To: RTP-area local music and culture <ch-scene at lists.ibiblio.org>
>To: ch-scene at lists.ibiblio.org
>Subject: Re: Eh, Whatever
>Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:14:12 -0000
> I was saying that it's hard enough and personal enough
> > that it should be appreciated, because if it wasn't
> > for the people making the music, there would be no
> > need for the critic, not that anyone is arguing that
> > there's a great need for that position in the first
> > place.It would be nice though for the critic to
> > realize that his job depends on having people to
> > critique. But I suppose the garbage collector has a
> > love/hate relationship with refuse as well.
>Fortunately like garbarge, there is no shortage of musicians. Perhaps
>that's because sometimes musicians think they're special because they
>dedicate themselves to something. And by dint of the perspiration on
>their brow, they should be given respect.
>Is the hard work and sacrifice put into music any different than the
>sacrifices that others make? When does how hard someone works become
>more important than whether they're any good at it? And doesn't the
>fact that someone puts themselves on stage mean that they're open to
>criticism? I've written poetry but I feel no need to share it. Why
>should I automatically grant respect to a musician? Doctors and
>lawyers and firemen and others make plenty of sacrifices as well. At
>some level, isn't all entertainment a little bit frivolous, and
>wouldn't we all be better off if more people worked at the firehouse,
>curing cancer, or building homes?
>But we can do what we want, and define for ourselves what's really
>important, and some people will make great music. And some people will
>waste our time.
> > If it weren't hard, it wouldn't be worthwhile. So
> > what makes the indy critic's job worthwhile? The
> > Anthony Michael Hall-esque pat on the back they give
> > themselves after coming up with just the right way to
> > say, "Don't bother seeing this band play"?
>Well, writing isn't any more important than music. We're both lousy
>punters. But I wonder how hard it is to get paid for music versus to
>get paid for music writing?
> > Where in that do you derive, "If you don't make it how
> > can you appreciate how hard it is to do? If you can't
> > do it how can you criticize someone who does."
>If you recall my comment was I get in this kind of conversation with
>musicians, which I then use quotes. At no point did I attribute those
>remarks to you. I think that it refers back to the larger issue,
>apparently you don't see it that way.
> > I think it's funny that you talk about thin skin and
> > bruised egos while you lash out at strawmen after
> > someone DARES critique what you do.
>Now this is funny. I came in and offered my opinion on why this isn't
>a bad thing, and took a little shot at Grady, which was actually true
>-- I'm sorry it didn't entertain him. But it isn't going to keep me
>up, nor should criticism keep any creative person from doing what they
>do. Big deal, someone doesn't like it. whatever.
> > If you'd like clarification, I'll provide it. What
> > I'm saying is that by virtue of the fact that there
> > are people who choose making music OVER going to
> > school, people who are willing to deliver pizzas so
> > that work won't get in the way of their craft, there
> > should be some level of respect. Even if what they're
> > making doesn't impress or please you.
>Well, I disagree. No one forces a musician to pursue what they do, and
>being passionate about something doesn't earn respect. Why should they
>get special treatment? Paul Wolfowitz seems pretty passionate and he's
>a huge tool. Sacrifice doesn't equate with respect. Maybe some of
>these people SHOULD go to school, but they're too deluded to realize
> > You can criticize their music all you want. But
> > telling people to steer clear of their shows, I don't
> > see how that serves any positive purpose other than to
> > feed a writer's ego.\
>How does it feed my ego? My pocket, yes, because there is a section,
>and I can sell work there. I think it's a valid thing, and I say so.
>Just because I think some musicians suck does not ergo mean I don't
>like musicians. That's a fallacy.
> And frankly, all I can think
> > when I see that happening is, "Oh someone didn't get
> > on the guest list for that show".
>yeah, it's soooooooooo hard to get on the guest list. I'm dying to go
>see the Beach boys and foreigner. Talk about strawmen.
> > > I agree. I'm worried, judging from this
> > > representative sample.....
> > > fortunately I get paid whether it's good or not.
> > See? You already have it better tham musicians do.
>Just a guess, James, but I'll bet that every musician who recieved a
>derogatory comment got paid whether or not they turned in a good show.
>In fact, just by walking on stage, they made money, because these
>artists (at least any of the ones I wrote about) have guarantees. So
>don't cry to hard for them.
> > Is this part of why you seem to hate them so much?
>see a therapist. You've got a projection problem.
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