[Politech] David Wagner on no evidence (yet) that vote ishacked
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Wed Nov 10 11:08:58 EST 2004
"Christa Wessel" <christa at singintomymouth.com> wrote in message
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> > From: Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com>
> > Date: November 8, 2004 11:28:42 PM EST
> > To: politech at politechbot.com
> > Subject: [Politech] David Wagner on no evidence (yet) that vote is
> > hacked
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [Politech] Some Dems allege that exit polls wrong, voting
> > machines rigged
> > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:36:44 -0800 (PST)
> > From: David Wagner <daw at cs.berkeley.edu>
> > To: declan at well.com
> > I think these claims of fraud have to be viewed with some skepticism.
> > The article claims "Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked", but the
> > author does not present any real evidence, or a theory of how election
> > fraud was alleged to occur. He does present some interesting
> > statistical
> > patterns and anomalies -- but there might be many explanations for
> > these patterns. I think it is too early to infer anything specific
> > from this data. For instance, it would be premature to blame this on
> > inaccuracies (or even fraud) in touchscreen voting machines.
> > Before drawing too many conclusions, I encourage readers to see the
> > analysis and commentary on this site: http://www.evoting-experts.com/
> > See, e.g., these posts:
> > http://www.evoting-experts.com/index.php?p=65
> > http://www.evoting-experts.com/index.php?p=61
> > http://www.evoting-experts.com/index.php?p=59
> > I've said before, and I'll say it again, that DRE e-voting machines
> > have serious vulnerabilities to fraud. However, it is one thing to say
> > that there are potential vulnerabilities, and another entirely to say
> > that those vulnerabilities were exploited this election. At present,
> > we have no evidence for the latter.
> > -- David
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I think the real story is the discrepancies of optiscan precincts in
Florida. Sure the touch screen machines had failures but they are relatively
minor in comparison with the overall lack of security with the central
tabulation software being offered by most of the companies out there. Think
about it this way: what is easier, changing data on 5000 exit polls or
running a vbscript on 100 computers? Whether or not it really happened, we
must be alarmed about the possibility.
The site below was down when I last checked - it was running fine a few days
ago before the story started circulating. This is the report page for the
engineer who tested the diebold GEMS software for blackboxvoting.org . It
included versions of the GEMS software and sample data files. Diebold had
filed a cease and desist earlier.
BTW- I understand that Florida's discrepancies could be caused by
'Dixie-crats' and in some cases that appears to be true. But the differences
between other voting methods and the optiscan data is worth investigating
Granted I'm a disappointed liberal and all, I am most concerned with whether
voting is safe these days. If there are no legs to this data I will gladly
concede that we are a nation of 48% normal, nice people and 51%
war-mongering idiots. I simply hope that isn't true.
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