[Cc-nz] Crown Copyright
j2.coates at qut.edu.au
Thu Sep 18 23:01:24 EDT 2008
Just putting in my two bits worth in response to your questions below - one of the things we're definitely advocating against here in Australia is the use of NC for government material - or at least for data and other research materials that might be used by industry.
Placing an NC licence on the data is tempting to many governments, as they want to maintain perceived revenue streams from commercialisation of government data. But the reality is that this 'counting the pennies' approach actually results in a lot of inefficiencies, presents a great barrier to utilisation of the material by commercial groups, and ultimately significantly reduces the benefits to the economy as a whole that opening up the material is intended to provide.
Plus the administrative costs of maintaining separate commercial licences almost always outweigh the small amounts governments get in return. That's why the Australian Bureau of Statistics stopped charging for data a few years ago - they realised it was actually costing them money, and was harming the economy.
Of course, there are always exceptions to this - we're not asking governments to give away their patents (yet). And for mere informational resources (eg community fact sheets etc) NC can be more appropriate.
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From: cc-nz-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:cc-nz-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of strypes
Sent: Friday, 19 September 2008 12:33 AM
To: Creative Commons Aotearoa New Zealand discussion
Subject: [Cc-nz] Crown Copyright
Kia ora Paul
Excuse us geeks getting a little excited about the potential benefits of
CC-licensed techno-artistic endeavours ;) Your's is the sort of
frustration the threaded discussion forums on cc.org.nz were intended to
address. Maybe you could post some recommendations on the Crown
Copyright issue in the Cultural Institutions thread?
Possibly there needs to be another thread added to focus on e-government
and public information (you out there Jane? what do you think?)
But do share your thoughts on cc-nz as well. As I warned Jane and Brian
just before the new site was launched, email list and forums are very
different environments, and they develop shared cultures over time that
can't be changed by decree. That said, it would be great to see people
taking advantage of the forums to collaboratively open-publish content
to the site.
My question about the Crown Copyright issue is what sort of CC license
do we want to see it replaced with? Commercial or non-commercial?
Non-derivus or share-alike? Are there different kinds of public
information that would suit different licensing conditions? What are the
arguments for these? I feel if we can start to develop a consensus on
this, we can start lobbying the same decision-makers, by pushing in the
Hei kōnei rā
BTW Great to see some lively discussion going on here again :)
Sutherland, Paul wrote:
> is this on topic?? - I care little for games - where is the CC thread
> here - let alone CC-NZ thread
> is there not a cake-game-mac-site-blog-list you can chatter about this
> on - not here
> Surely the earlier conversation about the Aussie recommendations about
> the modification of Crown Copyright is much more important - how do we
> make this a NZ thing...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cc-nz-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:cc-nz-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Robin Sheat
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:10 PM
> To: Creative Commons Aotearoa New Zealand discussion
> Subject: Re: [Cc-nz] Open Doom/ Quake (It's all about google!)
> On Thursday 18 September 2008 12:38:14 strypes wrote:
>> The really exciting possibility I thought of when I first heard about
>> the release, is that a developer community could aggregate around the
> It already has. In Linux, there are many games that were started from
> Quake engines, heavily modified and improved.
> My favourite is Nexuiz: http://www.alientrap.org/nexuiz
>>From the website: "Nexuiz is based on the Darkplaces engine, built on
> technology. The darkplaces engine is an advanced Quake1 based engine
> developed mainly by Forest "LordHavoc" Hale, who has been working with
> Quake1 engine for many years. A few of Darkplaces main features are
> support, realtime lighting and shadowing, new particle effects, advanced
> system, and Md3 model support."
“To use proprietary software is to invite the developer to put his boot
on your neck. It’s power that nobody should have.”
- Richard Stallman
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