[cc-metadata] metadata fun
jon at rejon.org
Tue Jul 26 15:05:59 EDT 2005
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 17:42 +0200, Bjorn Wijers wrote:
> Talking about getting people to devote some time to CC-related tools, it
> might be a good idea to contact some of the international CC crowd in
> starting up a more lively dev community for CC tools. What do you think
> about it? We could have the seperate part of the CC.org website
> dedicated to developers enhanced a bit with stuff like roadmaps/wishes
> etc? Stuff that lets people know the CC development is not 'dead' (ths
> site seems like this.. because of not so many updates..) If we can tap
> into the various international CC communities with clear questions we
> would have more of a chance to get a CC dev community.
Right, I agree. However, I think the strongest approach is to centralize
development and apply the time tested Open Source development community
strategy...I'm meeting with Mike to talk about next week...hopefully
will get some good thoughts from that...
> I think it is very important to have easy accessible libraries/tools to
> use for developers (and maybe end-users as well) to make sure the
> embedding of CC metadate gets as widespread as possible and a lively dev
> community might be the right way to facilitate this. I'm curious as what
> are the plans of CC in combination with developers?
Right, there are so many ways to do this. However, the best IMO from
experience dev'ing on Inkscape and other projects is to do one thing
well. And then, develop a mission around this one thing...after that is
proven, then expand.
This "one thing" could be up for debate. Open Source works well if you
stick to the KISS (keep it simple stupid) policy for development when
Also, developing a dev. community is more than just putting things up on
sourceforge.net...it takes time, setting a mood, developing a nucleus of
> ps: Btw I am involved with the Dutch Creative Commons and I'd like to
> help out with this.
Cool...in what way would you like to contribute? What chat channel do
ppl. hang out in? irc.freenode.net #cc ??? That would be a rockin one.
> Jon Phillips wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 17:19 -0700, Mike Linksvayer wrote:
> >>Jon Phillips wrote:
> >>>That is cool! I think though it would be good to make some generic C
> >>>library like:
> >>>And, then make bindings for other languages like python, etc. The point
> >>>of this would be speed and to slap this kind of support into
> >>>pre-existing programs.
> >>>Inkscape already has a generic interface for editing cc-metadata, so
> >>>that could be extracted and placed somewhere as an example
> >>>implementation for developers.
> >>Can you point out the relevant code?
> > Please excuse my language. I mean it has a generic graphical interface
> > for editing cc-metadata. The code for handling cc-metadata though could
> > be extracted as well.
> > I'm thinking best to make a generic library for cc-metadata, and then
> > possibly could make a generic graphical library as well for cc-metadata,
> > but that is less likely in my mind because of all the diff. systems that
> > lib. would have to be accountable for.
> >>>It is great that you guys put up the cc projects into sf.net. How is the
> >>>building of the development community going?
> >>Mediocre. I/we haven't been very proactive about telling people how
> >>they can help.
> > Yes, it is kind of obscure what is going on with these things. Would be
> > great to grow a community around the various cc tools. Unfortunately, it
> > is tough to just put code up and say its available for free...many ppl.
> > I talk to that are hackers or artists/musicians still do not know cc, so
> > then to get them to develop on an open source cc project might be even
> > more of a stretch. I have some thoughts on how to grow these communities
> > if interested.
> >>Brian Heung, one of our interns, recently moved our
> >>horriblly out of date "tech challenges" to
> >>http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/TechChallenges suggestions or
> >>better yet direct edits welcome.
> > Yes, but it seems they have not been redirected on the site yet...then
> > ppl. will start helping via the wiki hopefully.
> >>It should be easier for outside developers to contribute at least to CC
> >>Publisher in the next couple months -- see
> >>http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/CcPublisher#ccPublisher_2 for some
> >>beginning documentation of its extensibility from Nathan.
> > Great! It would be great to extract mots of the core functionality into
> > libraries and then cc-publisher would be a demo. I think this is a
> > better approach for trying to grow a community...don't get me wrong
> > though, ccpublisher is quite cool :)
> >>Also, there's a separate cctools-developer list that might be more
> >>appropriate for code discussions.
> > Aha...good...
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