[cc-licenses] 4.0 NonCommercial

Jane Park janepark at creativecommons.org
Thu Jan 26 10:29:07 EST 2012


Hi Chris,

Check out http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Photography - which was updated a
little while ago. Additions/improvements by the community are very welcome
there.

Perhaps it's time for this discussion to move to the cc-community list?

Best,
Jane

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Chris Sakkas <sanglorian at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Diane,
>
> Kerrick's comments were directed at the free culture CC licences - he
> specifically said 'any CC except NC'. Jonathan Worth's photos are under CC
> BY-NC-SA.
>
> That said, if anyone has examples of professional photographers who have
> succeeded with free culture licences, I'd like to know about them for
> something I'm writing now.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
>
> On 25 January 2012 17:44, Diane Cabell <diane at cabell.us> wrote:
>
>> Not necessarily.  Photographer Jonathan Worth finds that using CC
>> licenses has increased his revenues on sales of customized copies.
>> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Photography  A lot of users simply don't
>> want to become printers.
>>
>> Worth's subjects are celebrities, which may make a difference.  He
>> reports that fans start outbidding each other when he offers limited
>> editions of customized reprints.
>>
>> Another tactic is to offer low res copies under CC while reserving high
>> res for commercial use.
>>
>>  Diane Cabell
>> Oxford eResearch Centre
>> Creative Commons
>> iCommons Ltd
>>
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Kerrick Long wrote:
>>
>> > You're quite wrong on that score.
>>
>> I apologize, that was a hasty assumption.
>>
>> >  You have made the common leap from “recipients can use my work for
>> > commercial purposes” to “I can't make a living”.
>>
>> Well, many photographers rely on licensing and re-licensing their work as
>> a main source of income. CC-BY and CC-BY-SA are *great* if you get paid
>> (enough) for the act of creating your work, but releasing it under any CC
>> except NC means you lose any chance to make money by licensing your work
>> for commercial use. Cut out that revenue stream, and many commercial,
>> stock, architectural, and news photographers wouldn't be able to afford to
>> stay in business.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kerrick Long
>> http://kerricklong.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Ben Finney <
>> bignose+hates-spam at benfinney.id.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Kerrick Long <me at kerricklong.com> writes:
>>>
>>> > I'm sorry to break it to you, but the only reason many people use
>>> > CC-NC is *because* it is so conservative.
>>>
>>> Thank you for bringing this opinion.
>>>
>>> > I do *not* want a blog running advertisements to use [my work], nor do
>>> > I want a non-profit organization with a budget for other things using
>>> > it, nor do I want it to expire and automatically be transferred into a
>>> > CC-BY-SA license
>>>
>>> Why not? You imply that the following continues the thought:
>>>
>>> > if money is being made by using my work, or a budget could be
>>> > allocated to pay for its usage, I want to earn a living
>>>
>>> But this is a non sequitur. People can and do make a living *and* make
>>> their work available under CC BY-SA and CC-BY.
>>>
>>> So, other than wanting to make a living, what are your reasons for
>>> wanting to prevent the above actions?
>>>
>>> > I joined this mailing list because I wanted to introduce what
>>> > real-world content creators who make their living producing creative
>>> > works think into this discussion. I can tell from what I've been
>>> > receiving that very few of you put bread on the table and a roof over
>>> > your head by creating content,
>>>
>>> You're quite wrong on that score.
>>>
>>> > because many of you seem to be *completely opposed* to enabling
>>> > anybody to make money with works licensed under any CC license.
>>>
>>> No, exactly the opposite: I want to *enable* people to make money with
>>> the works I license, that's why I don't put a non-commercial clause on
>>> them.
>>>
>>> I make more money because more potential customers know of me, and
>>> that's because more people distribute my work (charging a fee if they
>>> want to), spreading it further than I can alone.
>>>
>>> You have made the common leap from “recipients can use my work for
>>> commercial purposes” to “I can't make a living”. There are many people
>>> for whom that is not true, so you need to examine what is preventing you
>>> from making a living with free works.
>>>
>>> --
>>>  \          “It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one |
>>>  `\   trifling exception, is composed of others.” —John Andrew Holmes |
>>> _o__)                                                                  |
>>> Ben Finney
>>>
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