[cc-licenses] specific questions about the CC licenses
thierryk2005 at gmail.com
Thu Sep 14 21:49:27 EDT 2006
Thank you very much for your answer, it surely helps me.
My project will have two parts with two separate content: a for profit one
where I think for the time being I will not use CC and a non profit one that
will use CC. That will also help me experience CC, learn more about and see
how it goes.
Thank you all for your great insights and keep up the good work
On 9/14/06, Jonathon Blake <jonathon.blake at gmail.com> wrote:
> TK wrote:
> > does it apply only to France or all French speaking countries and even
> > any countries (I plan to have the books in different languages and
> Applies worldwide. If you use the French languge version, that would
> be the applicable licence.
> If you negotiate witht eh original authors/illustrators/translators,
> you can (in theory) relese the material with a similar licence in the
> language/country of your target translation.
> > could decide to get a book in a specific language that is not the
> national language) ?
> You'd have to negotiate with the indivdiual authors, and illustrators,
> if you want to change the licence for teh country/language that the
> material is translated into. [Probably also need to get permission
> from the translators to do that.]
> > How do we know it will be valid and enforced ?
> You will have to enforce it yourself --- which the case with the
> standard "all rights reserved" licence.
> > 2. The books will include a fairly important part of illustrations:
> Should I
> > use then both the text and image license at the same time for each book
> It is less confusing for readers, if the text, and illustrations have
> the same licence. You can licence the text and illustrations under
> different licences. The easiest way to handle that, is to have a
> chapter "Licences", that lists each illustration, and the licence that
> it uses, and each chapter, and the licence that it uses. Clumsy, but
> it signifies that different parts of the work are licenced
> > 3. About the non commercial aspect: I understand that I can decide to
> > or not our products but someone else cannot resell/sell our content,
> This is where you need to go thru the contract with a lawyer who
> specializes in both intellectual property rights, and contract law.
> About six months ago I came to the realization the current CC
> guidelines about the NC licence permit some organizations to sell the
> material for a profit. [The previous guidelines were slightly less
> clear, that commercial sales under some circumstances were permitted.]
> > 4. Do we need an express authorization of every author when it is a
> > authors book or only the publishing decides and authorizes the use of
> > license ?
> What does your contract with the authors say? As a courtesy, I'd
> suggest getting that authorization, even if the contract doesn't
> require it.
> > 5. Sharealike: I udnerstand that under this specific license
> > Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike, someone can make
> > derivatives product BUT not sell them (ie, the modifications or the
> > derivative product, correct ?
> That is the probable intent of the NC licence.
> However, the current CC guidelines about the NC licence do have that
> clause that permits retail sales, by some organizations.
> So yes, a derivative work could ( theoretically) be made, and
> distributed under the SA-NC licence, and sold in a retail venue, for a
> > 6. Can my publishing company sell those derivatives by default or do I
> > to negotiate this point with the author(s) of the modifications ?
> The ethical thing to do, would be to negotiate with the persom who
> made those modifications.
> However, if you are willing to test legal waters, you can take
> advantage of that clause that permits some organizations to sell the
> material for a profit. [ Depending upon how you do it, you may or may
> not win the court case.]
> > 7. Finally but not least, can someone just print the on line content or
> > scan the books and reprint them and give them away for free or at not
> > profit, ie, still sell it but at cost ?
> The NC licence permits free re-distribution.
> Hollywood film accountants can demonstrate how loose the term "sell at
> cost" is. A movie can "cost" $5000000 to make, have first week
> ticket sales of $25000000, and gross revenue of $250000000, and still
> not recouped the cost of making the movie, much less shown either a
> gross, or net profit. [This is all using GAAP ]
> There are three sides on this issue.
> i) The group that thinks that the NC licence prohibits selling,
> regardless of whether it is done at a profit, loss, or break even;
> ii) The group that thinks the NC licence permits selling, at cost,
> under some circumstances;
> iii) The group that think that the NC licence allows selling, under
> some circumstances, regardless of profit, or loss of such
> sales.licence ;
> Drew wrote:
> > Why the desire for the NC option?
> TK can best explain why he wants to use it.
> Royalty payments would probably be on the top of the list.
> Religious -- and some educational -- publishers are willing for
> material to be released with an NC licence, in the hope that it spurs
> sales of their other material.
> > But I would be very interested to hear some business model in publishing
> using CC and less restrictive license. Is there a place where I find some
> stories/experience on this
> I think everybody is trying to find a viable business model
> selling/distributing/using CC material.
> Ethical conduct is a vice.
> Corrupt conduct is a virtue.
> Motto of Nacarima
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