[cc-licenses] New Generic and ports
rob at robmyers.org
Sun Oct 8 17:36:16 EDT 2006
drew Roberts wrote:
> On Sunday 08 October 2006 04:28 am, Henri Sivonen wrote:
>> On Oct 8, 2006, at 08:24, jonathon wrote:
>>> Since I expect the most significant dispute to be over the meaning of
>>> "Non Commercial",
>> FWIW, I think NC is a major bug in CC. First, I think it is
>> irresponsible to offer a license whose meaning is unclear even to the
>> CC folks themselves.
CC are working on an NC definition and I thought the initial version was
very good. I've also had useful discussions with educational users of
NC, and I personally think that it is possible for a state or nonprofit
educational institution to make NC use of work.
> [...]T his "mislableing" problem is cropping up all the time.
>> Now the Free as in Free Software type of Free Culture loses works to
>> NC, because having NC available makes authors choose it by knee-jerk
>> reaction. If NC wasn't available, to associate oneself with the brand
>> of Free Culture, one would actually have to make the works Free as in
>> Free Software.
Personally I would like to see NC and ND deprecated.
> As big a bug as NC is, I think ND is a bigger one. Exactly what, from a
> creative comons point of view, can one do with an ND work that you can't do
> with an all rights reserved work. (I am not saying that I don't prefer ND
> works or even NC-ND works to "ARR" works, just asking what commons benefit
> they give?)
You can copy them over peer to peer networks. This is a net gain over
how ARR is generally applied by the record companies.
> Would CC be willing to consider a "Free CC" logo / brand / subsection that
> those of us concerned with "Free Culture" ... can associate under and
> promote? Do others concerned with "Free" think this is wise or would be
The problem is that if you look at CC usage, NC is the most popular
There is also overwhelming backing for NC from Lessig, as putting a URL
after NC works where you can buy an ARR license to the work solves the
problem of people confusing libre and gratis by confusing them for them.
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