designer patterns using CC
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Fri Jun 17 19:34:55 EDT 2005
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>> Which means that while electronic works are naturally
>> democratic (software/text/music for the people),
>> physical works are naturally commercial
>> (designs to be mass produced by companies).
> *naturally* commercial!?!
> This completely distorts the very violent and artificial nature of
> capitalist (mass) production!
> The fact that mass production is possible at all is based on an
> incredible amount of brutality and threat of more, it is based on the
> expropriation of very many people and (artificial) perpetuation of
> poverty. It is dependent on an unbelievable amount of resource
> extraction and creates a heartbreaking amount of waste.
> The fact that many of us (on this mailing list) enjoy the fruits of this
> struggle rather than bear its wounds does not make these kinds of
> products, and this form of production any more *natural*.
> Sorry I'm barging in like this, but I really believe this is such an
> important discussion to be had!! To my mind, the most important
> questions FLOSS raises are questions that address the potential for new
> forms of production and distribution not only in cyberspace, but in hard
> space - what can we learn from the FLOSS/GPL/CC experience in terms of
> the other, the *physical* property relations we are entangled in, we are
> legislating, we are maybe struggling against?
> How can we engage in collective production of *hard* stuff BEYOND the
> commodity paradigm? How can we produce in a way that uncovers the fact
> that our current practices of mass production are exactly NOT natural at
> all, that they are institutions embodying a lot of suffering, and that
> they can be and have to be changed?
> Of course there are significant differences between soft and hardware
> that make these questions difficult, and by no means straightforward,
> but it is in their midst that the truly revolutionary potential of
> CC/etc lies.
> PS. I am a research student, based in North West England, and have been
> hanging out on this list silently for a little while. I am working on
> how intellectual property law affects and is used by indigenous peoples,
> and was hoping to start a discussion on some of these issues on this
> list at some point. Just so much real life stuff on at the moment.
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