[Cc-hk] ICANN Consultation at HK: The Future of the Internet's Naming Systems (ISOC-HK) 24 July

Rebecca MacKinnon rebecca.mackinnon at gmail.com
Mon Jul 20 02:19:11 EDT 2009


Adding Pindar Wong to the thread.
Sorry I won't be in HK to help.
R

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On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:27 AM, Charles Mok <charlespmok at gmail.com> wrote:

> I can try but our panel is on internet governance and asia. And just
> the last and only panel at end of day. Will need some comments from
> floor. Anyway...
>
> On 7/20/09, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:
>> Charles,
>> As moderator, can you share your concerns about the IRT? The  
>> moderators
>> in NYC and London were two members of the IRT Committee, and they  
>> were
>> quite clear about their support for the IRT.  Would it be appropriate
>> for you, similarly, to introduce any concerns you might have for  
>> the IRT
>> Report and its impact on noncommercial domain name registration,  
>> impact
>> on IDNs and the unfair implications of extending US/European  
>> trademarks
>> into translation and transliteration of other languages?
>>
>> I am glad you will be upfront!
>> Best,
>> Kathy
>>
>>> Hong I understand will try to write in something or have someone  
>>> help
>>> her read her comments, since she will be in BJ and not HK.
>>>
>>> I will be the moderator and the co-host so I will need someone to  
>>> say
>>> these things.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Kathy Kleiman
>>> <Kathy at kathykleiman.com <mailto:Kathy at kathykleiman.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    Charles, Ying, and Jack,
>>>    I am so glad you can attend the ICANN meeting on Friday. What can
>>>    I do to assist you?  The IRT Report is lengthy and difficult (on
>>>    purpose, to make it difficult to criticize).
>>>
>>>    In Sydney, since we had only a few minutes at the microphones,
>>>    everyone took a difference piece -- and expressed their concerns
>>>    based on the work of their organization. One group criticized the
>>>    IP Clearinghouse, another the Globally Protected Marks List,
>>>    another the URS (too rapid take-down system for domain names).   
>>> We
>>>    also referenced NCUC's general deep concerns about the other  
>>> issues.
>>>
>>>    Please feel free to share ideas, and I am happy to assist with
>>>    editing, links or examples. Like Sydney, you will only have about
>>>    2-3 minutes at the microphone. Having a short written statement
>>>    worked well for me (NYC) and Konstantinos (London).
>>>
>>>    Rebecca has done a wonderful job laying out (and writing) key
>>>    documents below. I have a few more....
>>>
>>>    1) The outstanding comments of Leslie, Guan Yuanyuan (Legal
>>>    Supervisor, China Organizational Name Administration Center).
>>>    These comments analyze and compare Chinese trademark law and US
>>>    trademark law. They argue that the IRT "ignores the difference in
>>>    state's jurisdictions, ignores the protection of domain name
>>>    registrant's rights, and with the paranoiac and simple intention
>>>    protects the rights of trademark holders" (from closing comment).
>>>    Leslie gave terrific speeches in Sydney and you will like these
>>>    comments! -- at
>>>    http://forum.icann.org/lists/irt-final-report/msg00129.html
>>>
>>>    I have copied her above.
>>>
>>>    2) The strong comment of Dr. Hong Xue, Chinese Domain Name Users
>>>    Alliance, and her opposition to the IP Clearinghouse and Globally
>>>    Protected Marks List because: "ICANN, in its limited technical
>>>    coordination role as declared in its mission, has absolutely no
>>>    authority to create any international or even global law to  
>>> change
>>>    the territorial nature of trademark rights. What is recommended  
>>> by
>>>    IRT is to set up a private ordering through ICANN DNS governance
>>>    to create a de facto global enforcement for trademarks,
>>>    irrespective of legal limits of trademark protection."
>>>
>>>    Hong's full comment is at
>>>    http://forum.icann.org/lists/irt-final-report/msg00138.html
>>>
>>>    3) My speech in NYC is posted on YouTube at
>>>    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgUC869bTVM (please let me know if
>>>    you would like the text).
>>>
>>>    Good luck in HK!
>>>    Best,
>>>    Kathy
>>>
>>>
>>>>    Thanks Ying and Jack!
>>>>
>>>>    On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Ying Chan <yychan at hku.hk
>>>>    <mailto:yychan at hku.hk>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>        I'll sign up and could be there for at least half-a-day
>>>>        Thanks for the reminder
>>>>
>>>>        Ying
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Charles Mok
>>>>        <charlespmok at gmail.com <mailto:charlespmok at gmail.com>>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>            Not many from CC-HK signed up for the event yet.  Most
>>>>            are from regional registries/registrars and legal and
>>>>            business communities and there may not be enough ones
>>>>            there to speak on the civil society concerns.  So I hope
>>>>            more of you can come.  Pls register asap.  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>            charles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>            On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Rebecca MacKinnon
>>>>            <rebecca.mackinnon at gmail.com
>>>>            <mailto:rebecca.mackinnon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                Hi there Charles,
>>>>
>>>>                For those from the non-commercial sector and free
>>>>                culture/free speech components, you may want to pass
>>>>                around a few materials. The non-commercial
>>>>                constituency at ICANN is strongly opposed to the IRT
>>>>                proposal for trademark protection on both  
>>>> substantive
>>>>                and procedural grounds. Details via the following  
>>>> two
>>>>                links:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://ncdnhc.org/profiles/blogs/ncucs-substantive-comments-on
>>>>
>>>> http://ncdnhc.org/profiles/blogs/ncucs-procedural-comments-on
>>>>
>>>>                Also note that I wrote a blog post recently about
>>>>                free speech and ICANN:
>>>>
>>>> http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/07/icann-and-free-speech.html
>>>>
>>>>                ..and about China's re-engagement with ICANN for the
>>>>                first time in many years:
>>>>
>>>> http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/07/china-icann-thoughts-from-former-ceo-paul-twomey.html
>>>>
>>>>                I'm copying Kathy Kleiman from the NCUC who led the
>>>>                effort against the IRT in New York and who I'm sure
>>>>                will be happy to provide more details.
>>>>
>>>>                Best,
>>>>                Rebecca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Charles Mok
>>>>                <charlespmok at gmail.com
>>>>                <mailto:charlespmok at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                    Dear Friends,
>>>>
>>>>                    Please register if you have not already.  Only
>>>>                    less than a week to go before the first ICANN
>>>>                    event in Hong Kong.  Speakers info below...
>>>>
>>>>                    Registration:
>>>>                    http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/GTLD/
>>>>
>>>>                    Charles Mok
>>>>                    ISOC-HK
>>>>
>>>>                    If you can't see the image below, please click
>>>>                    here. <http://www.isoc-hk.org/icann-newtld/>
>>>>                    Pre-Register Now at:
>>>>                    http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/GTLD/
>>>>
>>>>                    icann-newtld-hk.jpg
>>>>                    <http://www.isoc-hk.org/icann-newtld/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                --
>>>>                Rebecca MacKinnon
>>>>                Open Society Fellow | Co-founder, GlobalVoicesOnline.org
>>>>                Assistant Professor, Journalism & Media Studies
>>>>                Centre, University of Hong Kong
>>>>
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>>>>
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