[Cc-hk] ICANN Consultation at HK: The Future of the Internet's Naming Systems (ISOC-HK) 24 July
Rebecca MacKinnon
rebecca.mackinnon at gmail.com
Mon Jul 20 02:19:11 EDT 2009
Adding Pindar Wong to the thread.
Sorry I won't be in HK to help.
R
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On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:27 AM, Charles Mok <charlespmok at gmail.com> wrote:
> I can try but our panel is on internet governance and asia. And just
> the last and only panel at end of day. Will need some comments from
> floor. Anyway...
>
> On 7/20/09, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:
>> Charles,
>> As moderator, can you share your concerns about the IRT? The
>> moderators
>> in NYC and London were two members of the IRT Committee, and they
>> were
>> quite clear about their support for the IRT. Would it be appropriate
>> for you, similarly, to introduce any concerns you might have for
>> the IRT
>> Report and its impact on noncommercial domain name registration,
>> impact
>> on IDNs and the unfair implications of extending US/European
>> trademarks
>> into translation and transliteration of other languages?
>>
>> I am glad you will be upfront!
>> Best,
>> Kathy
>>
>>> Hong I understand will try to write in something or have someone
>>> help
>>> her read her comments, since she will be in BJ and not HK.
>>>
>>> I will be the moderator and the co-host so I will need someone to
>>> say
>>> these things.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Kathy Kleiman
>>> <Kathy at kathykleiman.com <mailto:Kathy at kathykleiman.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Charles, Ying, and Jack,
>>> I am so glad you can attend the ICANN meeting on Friday. What can
>>> I do to assist you? The IRT Report is lengthy and difficult (on
>>> purpose, to make it difficult to criticize).
>>>
>>> In Sydney, since we had only a few minutes at the microphones,
>>> everyone took a difference piece -- and expressed their concerns
>>> based on the work of their organization. One group criticized the
>>> IP Clearinghouse, another the Globally Protected Marks List,
>>> another the URS (too rapid take-down system for domain names).
>>> We
>>> also referenced NCUC's general deep concerns about the other
>>> issues.
>>>
>>> Please feel free to share ideas, and I am happy to assist with
>>> editing, links or examples. Like Sydney, you will only have about
>>> 2-3 minutes at the microphone. Having a short written statement
>>> worked well for me (NYC) and Konstantinos (London).
>>>
>>> Rebecca has done a wonderful job laying out (and writing) key
>>> documents below. I have a few more....
>>>
>>> 1) The outstanding comments of Leslie, Guan Yuanyuan (Legal
>>> Supervisor, China Organizational Name Administration Center).
>>> These comments analyze and compare Chinese trademark law and US
>>> trademark law. They argue that the IRT "ignores the difference in
>>> state's jurisdictions, ignores the protection of domain name
>>> registrant's rights, and with the paranoiac and simple intention
>>> protects the rights of trademark holders" (from closing comment).
>>> Leslie gave terrific speeches in Sydney and you will like these
>>> comments! -- at
>>> http://forum.icann.org/lists/irt-final-report/msg00129.html
>>>
>>> I have copied her above.
>>>
>>> 2) The strong comment of Dr. Hong Xue, Chinese Domain Name Users
>>> Alliance, and her opposition to the IP Clearinghouse and Globally
>>> Protected Marks List because: "ICANN, in its limited technical
>>> coordination role as declared in its mission, has absolutely no
>>> authority to create any international or even global law to
>>> change
>>> the territorial nature of trademark rights. What is recommended
>>> by
>>> IRT is to set up a private ordering through ICANN DNS governance
>>> to create a de facto global enforcement for trademarks,
>>> irrespective of legal limits of trademark protection."
>>>
>>> Hong's full comment is at
>>> http://forum.icann.org/lists/irt-final-report/msg00138.html
>>>
>>> 3) My speech in NYC is posted on YouTube at
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgUC869bTVM (please let me know if
>>> you would like the text).
>>>
>>> Good luck in HK!
>>> Best,
>>> Kathy
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks Ying and Jack!
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Ying Chan <yychan at hku.hk
>>>> <mailto:yychan at hku.hk>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll sign up and could be there for at least half-a-day
>>>> Thanks for the reminder
>>>>
>>>> Ying
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Charles Mok
>>>> <charlespmok at gmail.com <mailto:charlespmok at gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not many from CC-HK signed up for the event yet. Most
>>>> are from regional registries/registrars and legal and
>>>> business communities and there may not be enough ones
>>>> there to speak on the civil society concerns. So I hope
>>>> more of you can come. Pls register asap. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> charles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Rebecca MacKinnon
>>>> <rebecca.mackinnon at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:rebecca.mackinnon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi there Charles,
>>>>
>>>> For those from the non-commercial sector and free
>>>> culture/free speech components, you may want to pass
>>>> around a few materials. The non-commercial
>>>> constituency at ICANN is strongly opposed to the IRT
>>>> proposal for trademark protection on both
>>>> substantive
>>>> and procedural grounds. Details via the following
>>>> two
>>>> links:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://ncdnhc.org/profiles/blogs/ncucs-substantive-comments-on
>>>>
>>>> http://ncdnhc.org/profiles/blogs/ncucs-procedural-comments-on
>>>>
>>>> Also note that I wrote a blog post recently about
>>>> free speech and ICANN:
>>>>
>>>> http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/07/icann-and-free-speech.html
>>>>
>>>> ..and about China's re-engagement with ICANN for the
>>>> first time in many years:
>>>>
>>>> http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/07/china-icann-thoughts-from-former-ceo-paul-twomey.html
>>>>
>>>> I'm copying Kathy Kleiman from the NCUC who led the
>>>> effort against the IRT in New York and who I'm sure
>>>> will be happy to provide more details.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rebecca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Charles Mok
>>>> <charlespmok at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:charlespmok at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>
>>>> Please register if you have not already. Only
>>>> less than a week to go before the first ICANN
>>>> event in Hong Kong. Speakers info below...
>>>>
>>>> Registration:
>>>> http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/GTLD/
>>>>
>>>> Charles Mok
>>>> ISOC-HK
>>>>
>>>> If you can't see the image below, please click
>>>> here. <http://www.isoc-hk.org/icann-newtld/>
>>>> Pre-Register Now at:
>>>> http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/GTLD/
>>>>
>>>> icann-newtld-hk.jpg
>>>> <http://www.isoc-hk.org/icann-newtld/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rebecca MacKinnon
>>>> Open Society Fellow | Co-founder, GlobalVoicesOnline.org
>>>> Assistant Professor, Journalism & Media Studies
>>>> Centre, University of Hong Kong
>>>>
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