[Cc-hk] the question of the CCHK Chinese name

Chong Chan-yau chanyau at hku.hk
Tue Jun 17 04:22:51 EDT 2008


I like ³Ð·N¦@¥Î 
Sorry I cannot join the meeting again.
Chan Yau

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[mailto:cc-hk-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Oiwan Lam
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:46 PM
To: Jerry~Yuyu
Cc: Ben; cc-hk
Subject: Re: [Cc-hk] the question of the CCHK Chinese name


am thinking about whether we should put hk into the name...

if it is ³Ð·N¦@¥Î(­»´ä), can we make a abbreviation as ³Ð¥Î­»´ä? 


2008/6/16 Jerry~Yuyu <jerry.tschan.yu at gmail.com>:


Halo,

as I might come late tomorrow, so I'll state my views first

my first choice is ³Ð·N¦@¥Î...... and then to ³Ð·N¦@¨É

however, I wonder should we add "¨óij" (license) or sort of terms at the end
of the name
to indicate what actually it is........ as not many people around actually
know what CC is, I mean the general public.

Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan
Jerry~«B«B
User:Yuyu

Deputy President
Wikimedia Hong Kong

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2008/6/16 Rebecca MacKinnon <rebecca.mackinnon at gmail.com>:


I look forward to seeing all of you tomorrow.  Please note that Pindar has
outlined the following voting process:
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Two items will be put to vote at this meeting aiming at a final selection.
This will follow the Olympic City process:
After decision on whether ballots are to be public/private -
(a) ballot goes through as many voting rounds as required until there are
only two alternatives at the last round, 
(b) alternative with the least vote at each round is discarded,
(c) those who cannot attend the June meeting can indicate their preferences
by email, marking 1st, 2nd, 3rd Preferences
(d) in case of a tie, the Chair has the casting vote.
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Please e-mail your preferences if you cannot attend in person. 
Here is what the wiki currently says about the versions of the name which
the Exco has been discussing so far: 
­»´ä³Ð·N¡]§@¡^¦@¨É¡]¥Î¡^
Thus the top choices (with or without ­»´ä  at the front) include the
following combinations:
³Ð·N¦@¨É - "creativity sharing"
³Ð§@¦@¨É - "creation/creative work sharing"
³Ð·N¦@¥Î - "creativity commons/public use"
³Ð§@¦@¥Î - "creation/creative work commons/public use"

For reference, the Taiwan name is³Ð¥ÎCC, while mainland China has adoptedª¾
ÃѦ@¨É@¤¤°ê¡C(Though I believe they do not use @¤¤°ê in their licenses, it's
just ª¾ÃѦ@¨É) The Taiwan name literally means "Create, Use CC"; the
mainland name is literally "Knowledge Sharing @ China"

There is an alternative mainland name, ³Ð§@¦@¥Î, which was adopted by Isaac
Mao and the CNblog community before the anointment of the current official
CC China mainland team. That name can be found on the creativecommons.cn
website which was created by the CNblog community. There is a somewhat
bitter history surrounding the fact that there are two groups and two names.
I will not go into that here. The CCHK exco would like to maintain good
relations with both the official CC China mainland project as well as the
CNblog grassroots community and is not interested in picking sides. 

Nobody on the Exco or other people we spoke with in the community were
especially thrilled with either the Taiwan or the official mainland China
name, feeling that neither would be appropriate for the Hong Kong user
community.

There is still some question about whether we should adopt a Chinese name at
all - CC International is concerned that two official Chinese names (and one
unofficial Chinese name) for CC are already confusing enough. There is
concern that yet another name adopted by CCHK would create even more
confusion among users on the Chinese speaking Internet. At the same time,
Oiwan has pointed out that having a good Chinese name will help with local
adoption of the CC license in HK and avoid confusion with other media in
Hong Kong already using cc (with other meanings) in their names or URL's.

Thanks for considering these issues seriously. We look forward to your views
and your votes on Tuesday night. If you can't come please e-mail your top 3
preferences, or let us know any other ideas you have. 

Best,
Rebecca


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