[Cc-hk] discovered a suspected case of a CC-licensed work on Wikipedia being trotted by local Citibank Ads

Jerry~Yuyu jerry.tschan.yu at gmail.com
Tue Dec 16 05:42:08 EST 2008


As expected there's a wikipedian meet-up may be on coming weekends, this
week or next week

as one wikipedian is trying to book a venue in CUHK

I wonder if any of you can give him a hand, however

if we have a place to discuss this issue, it's good for our action anyway :p

Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan
Jerry~雨雨
User:Yuyu
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Deputy President
Wikimedia Hong Kong
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yuyu at wikimedia.hk

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2008/12/16 Oiwan Lam <oiwan.lam at gmail.com>

> sorry for being slow in picking up this.
>
> the issue has been reported in some local newspaper, if wikipedia continues
> to pursue and make it a legal case, even if cchk is not taking legal support
> as our work, i think we need to show some support to the person, and make it
> a public education.
>
> i think it would be a PR disaster if whenever disputes happen we said,
> sorry you need to deal with it yourself. i would suggest at least we have a
> kind of statement to educate people to respect the license we are promoting.
>
> of course, this case is a bit complicated as the mtr might said that wiki
> shouldn't claim the license in the first place... then it would be another
> story: as the mtr does encourage netizens to play their road map - and they
> don't have a cc license statement. which means, it would be a PR disaster
> for them - they contradict their copyright policy with their promotion
> practice!
>
> there are some discussion at inmediahk.net about this.
>
> oiwan
>
> 2008/12/15 Haggen So <haggenso at gmail.com>
>
> Sorry with no updates, I have replied his second letter and he thanked
>> Charles and Zunix for the contributions in discussion.
>>
>> Though we cannot provide legal advice, I will discuss with him and see if
>> there are anything that CCHK can help.
>>
>> Haggen
>>
>> 2008/12/10 Charles Mok <charlespmok at gmail.com>
>>
>>> That's great!  In good hands...
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/12/10 Haggen So <haggenso at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I will make a reply, but incidentally, I will meet with Yuyu tonight
>>>> because he needed to do a mock interview for his studies.  We will come up
>>>> with a co-ordinated response.
>>>>
>>>> Haggen
>>>>
>>>> 2008/12/10 Charles Mok <charlespmok at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> In any case we should make a courtesy reply to him, i think.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2008/12/10 Zunix Ling <zunix.ling at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yea, Software Freedom Law Center is quite famous with lot of heavy
>>>>>> weigh
>>>>>> person to hold it.I also remember what has been done by public patent
>>>>>> that open source our fat32 patient registration. There are helpful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> zunix
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Haggen So 提到:
>>>>>> > Zunix,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Yes, The short version of the disclaimer in CCHK licences stated:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Creative Commons is not a law firm and does not provide legal
>>>>>> > services. Distributing of, displaying of, or linking to this Commons
>>>>>> > Deed does not create an attorney-client relationship.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Creative Commons不是法律事務所,亦不提供法律服務。分發、展示或連結到授
>>>>>> > 權標章並不產生律師和客戶的關係。
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > So technically we don't really have any responsibilities. It is,
>>>>>> > however, possible for us to actively discuss the issue (e.g. put an
>>>>>> > article up in our official site) and recommend legal services if we
>>>>>> > can find some friendly allies.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On the other hand, dual licensing may not be a total bad news. The
>>>>>> > organisation responsible for GFDL is FSF (Free Software Foundation).
>>>>>> > They have recently found the Software Freedom Law Center
>>>>>> > (http://www.softwarefreedom.org/), and this center will give legal
>>>>>> > assistance.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Haggen
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > P.S. I did receive the same email in the CCHK account, just haven't
>>>>>> > got time to deal with it. Sorry.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 2008/12/10 Zunix Ling <zunix.ling at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>>>> zunix.ling at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >     Does not want to comment too much on license matter, but as
>>>>>> Charles
>>>>>> >     point out. And I have to say, the dual-licensing in this case
>>>>>> seem
>>>>>> >     complicated by itself to enforce due to costing and legal
>>>>>> foundation.
>>>>>> >     There are many issues. I think CCHK organization just like a
>>>>>> >     certification or standard holder. Administration and enforcement
>>>>>> >     is not
>>>>>> >     under it's scope. am I right?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >     Regards,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >     zunix
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >     Charles Mok 提到:
>>>>>> >     > I think we should be very careful about the claim. CCHK being
>>>>>> >     not even
>>>>>> >     > an organization may not be in the right position to do much
>>>>>> beyond
>>>>>> >     > facilitating the license. It should be up to the claimant to
>>>>>> >     take his
>>>>>> >     > own action. At this stage, I do not see that CCHK should take
>>>>>> side.
>>>>>> >     > Plus, the license was is used is not CCHK license but another
>>>>>> >     version.
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > Others pls comment....
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > 2008/12/10 Jack Qiu <jacklqiu at gmail.com
>>>>>> >     <mailto:jacklqiu at gmail.com> <mailto:jacklqiu at gmail.com
>>>>>> >     <mailto:jacklqiu at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > This can probably be a good opportunity for public education.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> >     > will, and think all CCHK members should, give this Xavier all
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> >     > support. That is, of course, if there is enough evidence to
>>>>>> >     > establish the case and we have good confidence that we can
>>>>>> nail
>>>>>> >     > down City Bank.
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > Can some members of our legal team give some advice? I'd also
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> >     > to hear from Rebecca, Charles, Pindar and everyone.
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > jack
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > 2008/12/9 Jerry~Yuyu <jerry.tschan.yu <http://jerry.tschan.yu
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >     > <http://jerry.tschan.yu>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>
>>>>>> >     <http://gmail.com>>
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > Halo all
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > We found the message that ask for our help
>>>>>> >     > in our spam folder, unfortunately
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> >     > From: *Xavier Fung* <xavier114fch at gmail.com
>>>>>> >     <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >     > <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >     > Date: 2008/12/8
>>>>>> >     > Subject: 有關圖片侵權之協助
>>>>>> >     > To: wikimedia.hong.kong at gmail.com
>>>>>> >     <mailto:wikimedia.hong.kong at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >     > <mailto:wikimedia.hong.kong at gmail.com
>>>>>> >     <mailto:wikimedia.hong.kong at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > 香港維基媒體協會負責人台鑒:
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > 本人為中文維基百科的用戶(名字:Xavier114fch)。早前發現本人創
>>>>>> >     > 作的「港鐵未來路線圖」(http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:
>>>>>> >     > FutureMTRNetworkAfterMerger.png)被花旗銀行(香港)用以宣傳其
>>>>>> >     > 八達通信用卡之廣告上。由於本人使用了GFDL及CC的版權條款發佈上述
>>>>>> >     > 圖片,而該廣告並沒有依從條款的內容發佈,屬侵犯版權之行為。故電
>>>>>> >     > 郵 貴會,望能得到協助處理是次事件。
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > 本人經翻查後,發現該廣告曾於《都市日報》、《頭條日報》及《AM730》
>>>>>> >     > (http:
>>>>>> >     //
>>>>>> www.am730.com.hk/old_issue/issue/2008/200812/20081204/default1.html?
>>>>>> >     > startpage=)上刊載過,廣告上的路線圖只顯示本人創作圖片之中心部
>>>>>> >     > 分,並把所有站名去除並冠以「免費」字樣,路線圖上陸地部份被換成
>>>>>> >     > 灰色,並在圖的左上角加上「交通收費一覽」的字樣。顯然該廣告圖片
>>>>>> >     > 是以本人的創作修改,但沒有跟從共享創意(Creative Commons)「姓
>>>>>> >     > 名標示-相同方式分享」(CC-by-sa)授權條款(http:
>>>>>> >     > //creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.zh_TW
>>>>>> >     <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.zh_TW>),標示本
>>>>>> >     > 人的名字及以相容的授權條款發佈,是侵犯了本人的版權。
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > 素聞 貴會代表香港的維基人,並以推動自由創作為宗旨。本人希望得
>>>>>> >     > 到 貴會的協助,以便向花旗銀行一方作出交涉,並以此機會正視抄襲
>>>>>> >     > 維基百科∕以自由版權發佈內容之不良風氣。望能得到 貴會回覆。如
>>>>>> >     > 貴會欲和本人聯絡,請以電郵(xavier114fch at gmail.com
>>>>>> >     <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >     > <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>>>> >     xavier114fch at gmail.com>>)、維基用戶頁(User:
>>>>>> >     > Xavier114fch)或電話(6028 9641,晚六時後)通知。
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > 謹祝
>>>>>> >     > 台安
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > Xavier Fung
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > --
>>>>>> >     > Wikimedia Hong Kong
>>>>>> >     > the local chapter of Wikimedia in HKSAR
>>>>>> >     > http://wikimediahk.org <http://wikimediahk.org/>
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan
>>>>>> >     > Jerry~雨雨
>>>>>> >     > User:Yuyu
>>>>>> >     > http://jeromyu.info
>>>>>> >     > MSN: jeromyuchan at msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com>
>>>>>> >     <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com>>
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > Deputy President
>>>>>> >     > Wikimedia Hong Kong
>>>>>> >     > http://www.wikimediahk.org
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > Tel: +852 9279 1601
>>>>>> >     > Laudamus quae laudentur
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 23:19, Charles Mok
>>>>>> >     > <charlespmok at gmail.com <mailto:charlespmok at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >     <mailto:charlespmok at gmail.com <mailto:charlespmok at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > Somehow I cannot go to the link below....very slow...
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Jerry~Yuyu
>>>>>> >     > <jerry.tschan.yu <http://jerry.tschan.yu>
>>>>>> >     <http://jerry.tschan.yu>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>
>>>>>> >     > <http://gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > Halo all
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > As my fellow Chapter broad member discovered
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > a Local Chinese wikipedian had stated on his user
>>>>>> >     > page, claiming that his CC-licensed MTR maps being
>>>>>> >     > trotted by Citibank's Advertisements
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > More details can be found on this page on zh.wikipedia
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Xavier114fch/%E4%BB%A5CC%E6%A2%9D%E6%AC%BE%E7%99%BC%E4%BD%88%E7%9A%84%E8%B7%AF%E7%B7%9A%E5%9C%96%E8%A2%AB%E5%BB%A3%E5%91%8A%E6%8C%AA%E7%94%A8
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > On the page, the user stated that he had sent e-mails
>>>>>> >     > to WMHK & CCHK. We had not receive such e-mail at the
>>>>>> >     > moment, and I wonder if his mail had reached CCHK.
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > As the user is not a registered member of our chapter,
>>>>>> >     > so most of our broad member intend to handle this
>>>>>> >     > matter personally at this moment, unless this user
>>>>>> >     > identify himself via register as a chapter member.
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > I wonder if any of you had any idea to help him in
>>>>>> >     > this stage
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan
>>>>>> >     > Jerry~雨雨
>>>>>> >     > User:Yuyu
>>>>>> >     > http://jeromyu.info
>>>>>> >     > MSN: jeromyuchan at msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com>
>>>>>> >     <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com>>
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > Deputy President
>>>>>> >     > Wikimedia Hong Kong
>>>>>> >     > http://www.wikimediahk.org
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > Tel: +852 9279 1601
>>>>>> >     > Laudamus quae laudentur
>>>>>> >     >
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>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >     > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-hk
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > --
>>>>>> >     > charlesmok.blogspot.com <http://charlesmok.blogspot.com>
>>>>>> >     <http://charlesmok.blogspot.com>
>>>>>> >     > www.it360.hk <http://www.it360.hk> <http://www.it360.hk>
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     >
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>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > --
>>>>>> >     > Jack Linchuan Qiu, Ph.D.
>>>>>> >     >
>>>>>> >     > Assistant Professor
>>>>>> >     > School of Journalism and Communication,
>>>>>> >     > The Chinese University of Hong Kong
>>>>>> >     >
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>>>>>> >     > --
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>>>>>> >     <http://charlesmok.blogspot.com>
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