[Cc-hk] discovered a suspected case of a CC-licensed work on Wikipedia being trotted by local Citibank Ads

Oiwan Lam oiwan.lam at gmail.com
Tue Dec 16 05:09:41 EST 2008


sorry for being slow in picking up this.

the issue has been reported in some local newspaper, if wikipedia continues
to pursue and make it a legal case, even if cchk is not taking legal support
as our work, i think we need to show some support to the person, and make it
a public education.

i think it would be a PR disaster if whenever disputes happen we said, sorry
you need to deal with it yourself. i would suggest at least we have a kind
of statement to educate people to respect the license we are promoting.

of course, this case is a bit complicated as the mtr might said that wiki
shouldn't claim the license in the first place... then it would be another
story: as the mtr does encourage netizens to play their road map - and they
don't have a cc license statement. which means, it would be a PR disaster
for them - they contradict their copyright policy with their promotion
practice!

there are some discussion at inmediahk.net about this.

oiwan

2008/12/15 Haggen So <haggenso at gmail.com>

> Sorry with no updates, I have replied his second letter and he thanked
> Charles and Zunix for the contributions in discussion.
>
> Though we cannot provide legal advice, I will discuss with him and see if
> there are anything that CCHK can help.
>
> Haggen
>
> 2008/12/10 Charles Mok <charlespmok at gmail.com>
>
>> That's great!  In good hands...
>>
>>
>> 2008/12/10 Haggen So <haggenso at gmail.com>
>>
>> I will make a reply, but incidentally, I will meet with Yuyu tonight
>>> because he needed to do a mock interview for his studies.  We will come up
>>> with a co-ordinated response.
>>>
>>> Haggen
>>>
>>> 2008/12/10 Charles Mok <charlespmok at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> In any case we should make a courtesy reply to him, i think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2008/12/10 Zunix Ling <zunix.ling at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Yea, Software Freedom Law Center is quite famous with lot of heavy
>>>>> weigh
>>>>> person to hold it.I also remember what has been done by public patent
>>>>> that open source our fat32 patient registration. There are helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> zunix
>>>>>
>>>>> Haggen So Ìáµ½:
>>>>> > Zunix,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Yes, The short version of the disclaimer in CCHK licences stated:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Creative Commons is not a law firm and does not provide legal
>>>>> > services. Distributing of, displaying of, or linking to this Commons
>>>>> > Deed does not create an attorney-client relationship.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Creative Commons²»ÊÇ·¨ÂÉÊ„ÕËù£¬Ò಻Ìṩ·¨ÂÉ·þ„Õ¡£·Ö°l¡¢Õ¹Ê¾»òßB½Yµ½ÊÚ
>>>>> > ™à˜ËՁK²»®aÉúÂÉŽŸºÍ¿Í‘ôµÄêP‚S¡£
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So technically we don't really have any responsibilities. It is,
>>>>> > however, possible for us to actively discuss the issue (e.g. put an
>>>>> > article up in our official site) and recommend legal services if we
>>>>> > can find some friendly allies.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On the other hand, dual licensing may not be a total bad news. The
>>>>> > organisation responsible for GFDL is FSF (Free Software Foundation).
>>>>> > They have recently found the Software Freedom Law Center
>>>>> > (http://www.softwarefreedom.org/), and this center will give legal
>>>>> > assistance.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Haggen
>>>>> >
>>>>> > P.S. I did receive the same email in the CCHK account, just haven't
>>>>> > got time to deal with it. Sorry.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2008/12/10 Zunix Ling <zunix.ling at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>>> zunix.ling at gmail.com>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     Does not want to comment too much on license matter, but as
>>>>> Charles
>>>>> >     point out. And I have to say, the dual-licensing in this case
>>>>> seem
>>>>> >     complicated by itself to enforce due to costing and legal
>>>>> foundation.
>>>>> >     There are many issues. I think CCHK organization just like a
>>>>> >     certification or standard holder. Administration and enforcement
>>>>> >     is not
>>>>> >     under it's scope. am I right?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     Regards,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     zunix
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     Charles Mok Ìáµ½:
>>>>> >     > I think we should be very careful about the claim. CCHK being
>>>>> >     not even
>>>>> >     > an organization may not be in the right position to do much
>>>>> beyond
>>>>> >     > facilitating the license. It should be up to the claimant to
>>>>> >     take his
>>>>> >     > own action. At this stage, I do not see that CCHK should take
>>>>> side.
>>>>> >     > Plus, the license was is used is not CCHK license but another
>>>>> >     version.
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > Others pls comment....
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > 2008/12/10 Jack Qiu <jacklqiu at gmail.com
>>>>> >     <mailto:jacklqiu at gmail.com> <mailto:jacklqiu at gmail.com
>>>>> >     <mailto:jacklqiu at gmail.com>>>
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > This can probably be a good opportunity for public education. I
>>>>> >     > will, and think all CCHK members should, give this Xavier all
>>>>> our
>>>>> >     > support. That is, of course, if there is enough evidence to
>>>>> >     > establish the case and we have good confidence that we can nail
>>>>> >     > down City Bank.
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > Can some members of our legal team give some advice? I'd also
>>>>> like
>>>>> >     > to hear from Rebecca, Charles, Pindar and everyone.
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > jack
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > 2008/12/9 Jerry~Yuyu <jerry.tschan.yu <http://jerry.tschan.yu>
>>>>> >     > <http://jerry.tschan.yu>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>
>>>>> >     <http://gmail.com>>
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > Halo all
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > We found the message that ask for our help
>>>>> >     > in our spam folder, unfortunately
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> >     > From: *Xavier Fung* <xavier114fch at gmail.com
>>>>> >     <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com>
>>>>> >     > <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com
>>>>> >>>
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>>>>> >     > <mailto:wikimedia.hong.kong at gmail.com
>>>>> >     <mailto:wikimedia.hong.kong at gmail.com>>
>>>>> >     >
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>>>>> >     > ÙF•þÓûºÍ±¾ÈË“½j£¬ÕˆÒÔëŠà]£¨xavier114fch at gmail.com
>>>>> >     <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com>
>>>>> >     > <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>>> >     xavier114fch at gmail.com>>£©¡¢¾S»ùÓÑôí“£¨User:
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>>>>> >     > ̨°²
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > Xavier Fung
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > --
>>>>> >     > Wikimedia Hong Kong
>>>>> >     > the local chapter of Wikimedia in HKSAR
>>>>> >     > http://wikimediahk.org <http://wikimediahk.org/>
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan
>>>>> >     > Jerry~ÓêÓê
>>>>> >     > User:Yuyu
>>>>> >     > http://jeromyu.info
>>>>> >     > MSN: jeromyuchan at msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com>
>>>>> >     <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com>>
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > Deputy President
>>>>> >     > Wikimedia Hong Kong
>>>>> >     > http://www.wikimediahk.org
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > Tel: +852 9279 1601
>>>>> >     > Laudamus quae laudentur
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 23:19, Charles Mok
>>>>> >     > <charlespmok at gmail.com <mailto:charlespmok at gmail.com>
>>>>> >     <mailto:charlespmok at gmail.com <mailto:charlespmok at gmail.com>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > Somehow I cannot go to the link below....very slow...
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Jerry~Yuyu
>>>>> >     > <jerry.tschan.yu <http://jerry.tschan.yu>
>>>>> >     <http://jerry.tschan.yu>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>
>>>>> >     > <http://gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > Halo all
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > As my fellow Chapter broad member discovered
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > a Local Chinese wikipedian had stated on his user
>>>>> >     > page, claiming that his CC-licensed MTR maps being
>>>>> >     > trotted by Citibank's Advertisements
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > More details can be found on this page on zh.wikipedia
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Xavier114fch/%E4%BB%A5CC%E6%A2%9D%E6%AC%BE%E7%99%BC%E4%BD%88%E7%9A%84%E8%B7%AF%E7%B7%9A%E5%9C%96%E8%A2%AB%E5%BB%A3%E5%91%8A%E6%8C%AA%E7%94%A8
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > On the page, the user stated that he had sent e-mails
>>>>> >     > to WMHK & CCHK. We had not receive such e-mail at the
>>>>> >     > moment, and I wonder if his mail had reached CCHK.
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > As the user is not a registered member of our chapter,
>>>>> >     > so most of our broad member intend to handle this
>>>>> >     > matter personally at this moment, unless this user
>>>>> >     > identify himself via register as a chapter member.
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > I wonder if any of you had any idea to help him in
>>>>> >     > this stage
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan
>>>>> >     > Jerry~ÓêÓê
>>>>> >     > User:Yuyu
>>>>> >     > http://jeromyu.info
>>>>> >     > MSN: jeromyuchan at msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com>
>>>>> >     <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com>>
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > Deputy President
>>>>> >     > Wikimedia Hong Kong
>>>>> >     > http://www.wikimediahk.org
>>>>> >     >
>>>>> >     > Tel: +852 9279 1601
>>>>> >     > Laudamus quae laudentur
>>>>> >     >
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