[Cc-hk] discovered a suspected case of a CC-licensed work on Wikipedia being trotted by local Citibank Ads

Haggen So haggenso at gmail.com
Sun Dec 14 23:23:57 EST 2008


Sorry with no updates, I have replied his second letter and he thanked
Charles and Zunix for the contributions in discussion.

Though we cannot provide legal advice, I will discuss with him and see if
there are anything that CCHK can help.

Haggen

2008/12/10 Charles Mok <charlespmok at gmail.com>

> That's great!  In good hands...
>
>
> 2008/12/10 Haggen So <haggenso at gmail.com>
>
> I will make a reply, but incidentally, I will meet with Yuyu tonight
>> because he needed to do a mock interview for his studies.  We will come up
>> with a co-ordinated response.
>>
>> Haggen
>>
>> 2008/12/10 Charles Mok <charlespmok at gmail.com>
>>
>> In any case we should make a courtesy reply to him, i think.
>>>
>>> 2008/12/10 Zunix Ling <zunix.ling at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Yea, Software Freedom Law Center is quite famous with lot of heavy weigh
>>>> person to hold it.I also remember what has been done by public patent
>>>> that open source our fat32 patient registration. There are helpful.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> zunix
>>>>
>>>> Haggen So Ìáµ½:
>>>> > Zunix,
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes, The short version of the disclaimer in CCHK licences stated:
>>>> >
>>>> > Creative Commons is not a law firm and does not provide legal
>>>> > services. Distributing of, displaying of, or linking to this Commons
>>>> > Deed does not create an attorney-client relationship.
>>>> >
>>>> > Creative Commons²»ÊÇ·¨ÂÉÊ„ÕËù£¬Ò಻Ìṩ·¨ÂÉ·þ„Õ¡£·Ö°l¡¢Õ¹Ê¾»òßB½Yµ½ÊÚ
>>>> > ™à˜ËՁK²»®aÉúÂÉŽŸºÍ¿Í‘ôµÄêP‚S¡£
>>>> >
>>>> > So technically we don't really have any responsibilities. It is,
>>>> > however, possible for us to actively discuss the issue (e.g. put an
>>>> > article up in our official site) and recommend legal services if we
>>>> > can find some friendly allies.
>>>> >
>>>> > On the other hand, dual licensing may not be a total bad news. The
>>>> > organisation responsible for GFDL is FSF (Free Software Foundation).
>>>> > They have recently found the Software Freedom Law Center
>>>> > (http://www.softwarefreedom.org/), and this center will give legal
>>>> > assistance.
>>>> >
>>>> > Haggen
>>>> >
>>>> > P.S. I did receive the same email in the CCHK account, just haven't
>>>> > got time to deal with it. Sorry.
>>>> >
>>>> > 2008/12/10 Zunix Ling <zunix.ling at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>> zunix.ling at gmail.com>>
>>>> >
>>>> >     Does not want to comment too much on license matter, but as
>>>> Charles
>>>> >     point out. And I have to say, the dual-licensing in this case seem
>>>> >     complicated by itself to enforce due to costing and legal
>>>> foundation.
>>>> >     There are many issues. I think CCHK organization just like a
>>>> >     certification or standard holder. Administration and enforcement
>>>> >     is not
>>>> >     under it's scope. am I right?
>>>> >
>>>> >     Regards,
>>>> >
>>>> >     zunix
>>>> >
>>>> >     Charles Mok Ìáµ½:
>>>> >     > I think we should be very careful about the claim. CCHK being
>>>> >     not even
>>>> >     > an organization may not be in the right position to do much
>>>> beyond
>>>> >     > facilitating the license. It should be up to the claimant to
>>>> >     take his
>>>> >     > own action. At this stage, I do not see that CCHK should take
>>>> side.
>>>> >     > Plus, the license was is used is not CCHK license but another
>>>> >     version.
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > Others pls comment....
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > 2008/12/10 Jack Qiu <jacklqiu at gmail.com
>>>> >     <mailto:jacklqiu at gmail.com> <mailto:jacklqiu at gmail.com
>>>> >     <mailto:jacklqiu at gmail.com>>>
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > This can probably be a good opportunity for public education. I
>>>> >     > will, and think all CCHK members should, give this Xavier all
>>>> our
>>>> >     > support. That is, of course, if there is enough evidence to
>>>> >     > establish the case and we have good confidence that we can nail
>>>> >     > down City Bank.
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > Can some members of our legal team give some advice? I'd also
>>>> like
>>>> >     > to hear from Rebecca, Charles, Pindar and everyone.
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > jack
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > 2008/12/9 Jerry~Yuyu <jerry.tschan.yu <http://jerry.tschan.yu>
>>>> >     > <http://jerry.tschan.yu>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>
>>>> >     <http://gmail.com>>
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > Halo all
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > We found the message that ask for our help
>>>> >     > in our spam folder, unfortunately
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> >     > From: *Xavier Fung* <xavier114fch at gmail.com
>>>> >     <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com>
>>>> >     > <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com
>>>> >>>
>>>> >     > Date: 2008/12/8
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>>>> >     > To: wikimedia.hong.kong at gmail.com
>>>> >     <mailto:wikimedia.hong.kong at gmail.com>
>>>> >     > <mailto:wikimedia.hong.kong at gmail.com
>>>> >     <mailto:wikimedia.hong.kong at gmail.com>>
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >
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>>>> >     > ÙF•þÓûºÍ±¾ÈË“½j£¬ÕˆÒÔëŠà]£¨xavier114fch at gmail.com
>>>> >     <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com>
>>>> >     > <mailto:xavier114fch at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>> >     xavier114fch at gmail.com>>£©¡¢¾S»ùÓÑôí“£¨User:
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>>>> >     >
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>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > Xavier Fung
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > --
>>>> >     > Wikimedia Hong Kong
>>>> >     > the local chapter of Wikimedia in HKSAR
>>>> >     > http://wikimediahk.org <http://wikimediahk.org/>
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan
>>>> >     > Jerry~ÓêÓê
>>>> >     > User:Yuyu
>>>> >     > http://jeromyu.info
>>>> >     > MSN: jeromyuchan at msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com>
>>>> >     <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com>>
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > Deputy President
>>>> >     > Wikimedia Hong Kong
>>>> >     > http://www.wikimediahk.org
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > Tel: +852 9279 1601
>>>> >     > Laudamus quae laudentur
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 23:19, Charles Mok
>>>> >     > <charlespmok at gmail.com <mailto:charlespmok at gmail.com>
>>>> >     <mailto:charlespmok at gmail.com <mailto:charlespmok at gmail.com>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > Somehow I cannot go to the link below....very slow...
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Jerry~Yuyu
>>>> >     > <jerry.tschan.yu <http://jerry.tschan.yu>
>>>> >     <http://jerry.tschan.yu>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>
>>>> >     > <http://gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > Halo all
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > As my fellow Chapter broad member discovered
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > a Local Chinese wikipedian had stated on his user
>>>> >     > page, claiming that his CC-licensed MTR maps being
>>>> >     > trotted by Citibank's Advertisements
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > More details can be found on this page on zh.wikipedia
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >
>>>> http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Xavier114fch/%E4%BB%A5CC%E6%A2%9D%E6%AC%BE%E7%99%BC%E4%BD%88%E7%9A%84%E8%B7%AF%E7%B7%9A%E5%9C%96%E8%A2%AB%E5%BB%A3%E5%91%8A%E6%8C%AA%E7%94%A8
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > On the page, the user stated that he had sent e-mails
>>>> >     > to WMHK & CCHK. We had not receive such e-mail at the
>>>> >     > moment, and I wonder if his mail had reached CCHK.
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > As the user is not a registered member of our chapter,
>>>> >     > so most of our broad member intend to handle this
>>>> >     > matter personally at this moment, unless this user
>>>> >     > identify himself via register as a chapter member.
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > I wonder if any of you had any idea to help him in
>>>> >     > this stage
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan
>>>> >     > Jerry~ÓêÓê
>>>> >     > User:Yuyu
>>>> >     > http://jeromyu.info
>>>> >     > MSN: jeromyuchan at msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com>
>>>> >     <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com <mailto:jeromyuchan at msn.com>>
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > Deputy President
>>>> >     > Wikimedia Hong Kong
>>>> >     > http://www.wikimediahk.org
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > Tel: +852 9279 1601
>>>> >     > Laudamus quae laudentur
>>>> >     >
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