[cc-education] Reality Check.

David Wiley david.wiley at usu.edu
Tue Oct 14 21:10:13 EDT 2003


David,

Can you summarize this message in language accessible to mere mortals 
like myself? Thanks.

D

David Palmer wrote:

>>As for "what real, normal users want," this is why I have harped
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>>>>on open decision-making processes. I don't think anyone, not even
>>>>me ;) can claim to be representative of the General Will without
>>>>some means of determining what that Will may happen to be.
>>>>
>>>>-- Stephen
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>This aspect interests me also.
>In the formation of an aspect of a venture, the stated intention of
>which is to preserve the invaluable, innovative synergy of the commons,
>I fail to understand why such little use of that commons is being
>employed!
>Or, perhaps I don't.
>I have noticed in the past that there is a misconception amongst the
>broader community, and this applies to educators as well, that educators
>are intellectuals. Whilst with all rules there are exceptions, I find it
>my sad duty to have to confide that this is rarely the case. Educators
>are the purveyors of the product of intellectuals, and generally no more
>than that, and quite often fall short on even that function.
>On the assumption by educators of the aforementioned misconception,
>there appears to be a tendency to withdraw into an isolationist,
>fragmented, staffroom-like lack of environment wherein they indulge in
>pseudointellectual, pedantic, pyrotechnical, verbal spiralisms in some
>vain attempt to bolster the said misconception. And, in the process of
>course, locking out in the corridor that naughty, disruptive element
>that had the temerity to think outside the square, and therefore
>probably the most creative element in the situation.
>How many disparate sociological groups were contacted on the formation
>of this project, may I ask? (Careful with the answer, you may prove
>every word I say). The first of many that I would have contacted would
>have been the representatives of those that saw themselves as the
>victims of the educational process.
>As an example of what onesuch could contribute as a concept to be
>incorporated into what was suggested as an extension to the programme
>(projects, lesson plans ) how about this:-
>
>"How to Learn".
>
>As a heading?
>Very few educators do it. It should be first on the educational agenda
>in my perception.
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>>There is some resistance to making education an option on the 
>>original 'choose your license' page because our goal is to keep the 
>>license building page as simple as possible. 
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>Not just the licence building page, hopefully, but the whole CC project.
>I think that it is fairly common knowledge now, that the open source
>software environment is under orchestrated, concerted attack. It is not
>inconceivable that the GPL may fall victim to the power of amended
>regulation brought about by the power wielded by commercial lobby groups
>(If you are unfamiliar with this scenario, I can recommend 'The Future
>of Ideas' by Lawrence Lessig as an able introduction).
>And what you may very well be forming here, with Creative Commons, is a
>next line of defense against corporate encroachment. Please understand
>the principles that complexity creates vulnerability, and that authority
>and responsibility are synonymous terminologies.
>Why not deal with the situation in the spirit of the present superfluous
>manner, and supply each subgroup with the same licence, but a different
>coloured logo?
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>>BUT, I don't think the existence of the Education License would 
>>necessarily prevent work on a separate, more restrictive 
>>license. What 
>>happens next will just depend on what real, normal users want.
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>There may be a separate, more restrictive license, but I would
>vigorously oppose their being branded as Creative Commons
>licenses./unquote.
>
>Ditto.
>There are enough retentive personalities creating new restrictive
>licence options. I believe personally that we have a dearth of these to
>contend with at present, perhaps it might be more beneficial to stay
>with the task at hand.
>
>Hello Heather Ford.
>Pleased to meet you.
>For such supposedly cultured personalities, they don't appear to have
>much in the way of manners, do they?
>The All Blacks will win the World Cup.
>Regards to all,
>
>David.
>
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