[cc-community] NC, anticapitalism and clashing visions of freedom - was: More discussion on NC

Lloyd cc at phizz.demon.co.uk
Mon Oct 25 14:51:51 EDT 2010


On 25/10/2010 19:29, geni wrote:
> On 25 October 2010 19:06, Lloyd<cc at phizz.demon.co.uk>  wrote:
>> On 25/10/2010 13:47, drew Roberts wrote:
>>>
>>> On Monday 25 October 2010 08:29:07 j.martin.pedersen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In any case, the virtual freedom fighters will eventually come to
>>>> realise that their digital freedoms are entirely materially dependent -
>>>> as is reluctantly recognised in the network neutrality debate, but where
>>>> they come running to central government begging for specific limitations
>>>> on some particular private property rights (all others are fine), hence
>>>> strengthening central government (and that is really freedom, isn't it?)
>>>
>>> And by using NC, are you not stating your intention of going to that same
>>> central government to keep those greedy pigs away from your work?
>>
>>
>> They use the Government and laws to snatch up and exploit works. Using the
>> same system against them is simply payback time. It all depends on which
>> side of the wall you stand.
>
>
> Except by that premise you are being illogical in assuming that this
> "they" won't just use the government and the laws to invalidate NC
> terms.
>

The NC terms have already been validated by courts. Of course what they 
could do is just take and use costs of the court system to discourage 
complaint.


> Of course that assumes "they" are unreasonably nice. A far more lethal
> approach with regards to NC is to get the courts to apply it strictly.
> Result is that no one will dare touch the stuff because you can't be
> sure that your uses falls within the few tiny areas that are actually
> NC.


It is up to the copyright holder to decide who gets hits with a 
copyright violation.



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