[cc-community] Want your comments and feedback on Selling CC-By-SA-NC
drew Roberts
zotz at 100jamz.com
Fri Oct 8 12:29:10 EDT 2010
On Friday 08 October 2010 11:41:56 Davide d'Atri wrote:
> On 8 October 2010 17:31, drew Roberts <zotz at 100jamz.com> wrote:
> > On Friday 08 October 2010 09:29:14 Davide d'Atri wrote:
> > > it's an unfair trick.
> > > my understanding of non commercial is that the distribution of that
> > > material should not be associated in any way with any type of business
> >
> > for
> >
> > > any purpose.
> > > if you are a business, you cannot "touch" CC-BY-NC-SA material unless
> > > you have a written permission from the right holders.
> >
> > I don't think that this is true. I think:
>
> hmhm... i dont think i agree with your examples.
Do you disagree with the cases stated in the examples or do you think those
cases do not relate to the problem?
> You are putting together 2
> unrelated entities and transactions. in our example the person is
> aggregating CC-BY-NC-SA content and then distribute it by directly
> profiting from it associating a VAS (the delivery) to the music.
First off, I was only commenting on:
> > > if you are a business, you cannot "touch" CC-BY-NC-SA material unless
> > > you have a written permission from the right holders.
However, in the more particular case, if a person really wanted to do this but
was not interested in "profiting" they could possibly hire/source each bit of
the process from wherever and charge their costs only. Lots of people in the
chain might make money but they would not. (You might think they might have
to do the copy bit themselves if you think a copyshop cannot charge an
individual for making copies of an NC work.)
I don't feel the need of commenting on tricks to make a profit on NC works.
Personally, I rather bypass them alltogether and create BY-SA works and use
BY-SA and BY works.
>
> > If you make paper, you can sell paper to a person on which you know they
> > intend to print an NC work.
> >
> > in this example you have one person selling blank paper and not
> > controlling
>
> what will happen with the paper. different is the case of the guy that
> sells blank paper by offering NC works tied to the blank paper.
>
> > If you are an ISP, you can charge people for downloading an NC work
> > hosted elsewhere.
>
> same thing. ISP is selling a product and does not know what the people will
> do with the product.
>
> > If you sell computers, you can sell them to people you know will be
> > downloading NC works.
>
> same thing as before
>
> > If you rent copiers, you can rent them to someone with per page charges
> > knowing they will be making copies of NC works on them.
>
> repeating myself.. :)
>
> > I am sure we could think of many more such examples.
> >
> > Does anyone disagree with any of the above examples?
> >
> > > that is the way we understand the CC-BY-NC-SA license. we may be wrong
> > > tough...
> >
> > all the best,
> >
> > drew
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