[cc-community] NC, anticapitalism and clashing visions of freedom - was: More discussion on NC
zotz at 100jamz.com
Thu Nov 4 11:06:37 EDT 2010
On Thursday 04 November 2010 10:52:11 Rob Myers wrote:
> On 11/04/2010 02:24 PM, drew Roberts wrote:
> > On Thursday 04 November 2010 04:02:08 Lloyd wrote:
> >> wikipedia does not need CC-BY-SA in order to create an encyclopaedia, it
> >> could like most other sites have simply asked for the rights to use the
> >> content for the purposes of an encyclopaedia, much the same way as stuff
> >> is licensed on flickr. It didn't need to require that everything on the
> >> site can also be re-purposed by anyone else commercially.
> I worked for a company that did just that. It failed. Wikipedia
> succeeded. At roughly the same time. I appreciate that many people may
> not care personally about the licence but that doesn't change what the
> licence actually does or the effects it has on the people who do care.
> > Well, what about the case where one company pays an employee to post an
> > article and another company pays an employee to improve the article. This
> > will work fine with BY-SA but not with BY-NC or BY-NC-SA. (Or any other
> > non-human entity. Which will it work for and which will it fail for?)
> Ensuring that people cannot quit their day job no matter how successful
> the project becomes.
Actually, I think I must not have been very clear or I seriously misunderstand
I don't think and NC wikipedia type play could have such business
contributers. They businesses would have to do side deals to legally modify
each other's NC works.
Now you can do all the TOS games you want to get around this but then the NC
license is not making the play work. something else is.
> Yet the corporations that supply every other link in the chain from your
> screen to the site can make money quite happily from the production and
> consumption of NC work.
Give a donation to a "friendly" non-profit for them to print up X copies for
an NC book. Have a second friendly corporation promise to supply the funds to
ship this book to some 6th. world country. After the books are printed, the
funds for the shipping somehow don't come through. What creative ways can
these existing books that are the property of the friendly non-profit be
> And just because a site can't be used commercially by its audience
> doesn't mean that it cannot be used commercially by the site owners.
> Wikihow has advertising permission and a full rights grant in its Ts&Cs,
> for example. It may be NC to *you*, but it ain't NC to *them*.
Well, as I say, I think this is a bug in the whole game / process and needs to
be worked on for the future. Even if CC could host a list of which sites work
with BY-SA and BY licensed works and *importantly* remixes without needing
TOS extras might be a big help.
> - Rob.
all the best,
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