[cc-community] Reducing The Number Of Licenses
drew Roberts
zotz at 100jamz.com
Fri Mar 6 09:00:39 EST 2009
On Friday 06 March 2009 06:55:40 Alan Cox wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:42:33 +0000
>
> Rob Myers <rob at robmyers.org> wrote:
> > > - the author does not wish the work distorted to represent a different
> > > viewpoint
> >
> > Attribution's terms handle this.
>
> Not really
>
> > > (This is one of the big concerns of the UK government for
> > > example) - it represents a specific record whose modification may
> > > mislead later (eg a photographic record of an event, or minutes of a
> > > meeting)
> >
> > The requirement that modifications be identified as such handles this.
>
> Not in the eyes of the people I've dealt with - it's too easy to lose
> that information.
And keeping the "official" copy somewhere for easy reference by all will not
do the job? Perhaps even with official md5 or similar protections /
verifications.
>
> > > - there may be legal or regulatory constraints on modification
> > > - games for sale in some countries (age rating)
> > > - video for sale in many countries (age rating)
> > > - wireless device firmware (regulatory requirements)
> > > - safety data sheets
> >
> > These may all require modification to remain legal if regulation changes.
>
> And in many cases that modification then needs to be certified or
> processed appropriately before a modified version can be created.
But isn't that on the head of the releasing party? Just because I give them
permission as far as copyrights go does not mean I have some ability to give
them permission to break the law or I somehow have the power to force the
government to allow them to break the law because of the copyright permission
I gave. (If I am being dense here, please enlighten me.)
>
> > > and of course if you talk to many creative authors they see some of
> > > their output as a complete piece of expression and want to share it but
> > > not have people messing with their created space so need +ND (or CC+
> > > and 'translations permitted')
> >
> > If it's modified it's no longer their creative space. To use the
> > latest version of an old quote:
> >
> > "Interviewer: 'How do you feel about Hollywood ruining your work?'
> >
> > Alan Moore: 'What are you talking about, they didn't ruin my work, it
> > is right up there on the shelf.'"
>
> Except that most folks don't see it that way and Alan Moore would I am
> sure have preferred to block the Hollywood rework of this stories. A
> witticism does not make policy
Sure, but freedom is like that. Other people will do things with their
freedoms that we don't approve of or wouldn't do ourselves. The solution is
not to deny them freedom though.
When I see the first Hollywood BY-SA movie or the first major label BY-SA gold
or platinum release, I may think a bit harder on this. (NC being more
effective than SA.)
all the best,
drew
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