[cc-community] CC cosolidating property rights? [was: German Federal State announces economic stimulus package aimed at IT industry and at enriching Public Domain]
Ulrike Elteste (Mahlmann)
Ulrike.Mahlmann at gmx.de
Fri Apr 3 05:03:09 EDT 2009
Hi Peter,
> I've come across the arguments of CC "consolidat[ing] property rights"
> and all that a few times.
> And I'm left wondering what the real point behind this argument would
> be:
>
> -- is it that CC is not going far enough in rejecting copyright in the
> first place?
> -- is it a secretly reactionary stance -- "you CC guys make
> implementing copyright so much more difficult"?
> -- is it a sign of disapproval of the IP/copyright/TRIPS agreements
> that have been introduced typically decades ago?
> -- is it sheer ignorance of these (TRIPS etc.) processes?
> -- or is it something completely diffferent which I fail to see in my
> limited world view?
>
> any views on this: welcome
>
I think it is a mixture of all of this. For those who are ignorant of the TRIPS etc. process: Wake up, your cosy sharing societies will not be what they've been once these laws are really enforced.
My apologies to anyone from a developing country who might rightly think that my initial post is about Western "luxury problems". However, if we enrich the Public Domain the developing world will also gain from it. Only if you believe in progress, rule of law and all that, of course -
@ mp: ahem, you are not the Unabomber, are you?
Ulrike
>
> On 2 apr 2009, at 12:51, mp wrote:
>
> > (...)
> >
> > Of course, the view forward obscures the future by consolidating the
> > status quo, and as such the potential for change has been swallowed up
> > by representation in a variety of formats, particularly those seeking
> > reforms and acting nicely - Walter Benjamin said:
> >
> > “Social Democracy thought fit to to assign to the working class the
> > role
> > of the redeemer of future generations, in this way cutting the
> > sinews of
> > its greatest strength. This training made the working class forget
> > both
> > its hatred and its spirit of sacrifice, for both are nourished by the
> > image of enslaved ancestors rather than that of liberated
> > grandchildren”
> >
> > So rather than change being an object of fear, change (called
> > progress)
> > is a manner of manipulation to avoid any real change.
> >
> > And this Creative Commons should take note of - there is a real danger
> > that CC is a way to consolidate property rights based thinking, such
> > as
> > suggested in a recent article:
> >
> >
> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/web/the-case-for-and-against-creative-commons-527697
> >
> > An excerpt:
> >
> > Asian attitudes
> >
> > (...)
> >
> > "Nobody in Pakistan knew about copyright, copyleft or CC a decade ago.
> > Even when academics knew about copyright, they just didn't deal with
> > it,
> > primarily because of eastern tradition and religious injunctions of
> > collectivism and open literacy. CC and copyleft movements have made it
> > harder, here in Pakistan at least, for poor students and educators to
> > use books. Sure, they inspired academics to copyleft their work, but
> > at
> > the same time, they convinced them that copyright, which should never
> > exist in the first place, is good. (...)
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