[cc-community] CC-BY content usable under GFDL

drew Roberts zotz at 100jamz.com
Sun May 4 13:15:10 EDT 2008


On Sunday 04 May 2008 12:15:55 Matthew J. Agnello wrote:
> >> Since CC BY has no license requirements other than attribution, I
> >> would think it could be used in any work as long as attribution is
> >> given, including ARR work.
> >
> > There can still be problems,can't there?... See the Original BSD and
> > GPL
> > issues:
> >
> > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#OriginalBSD
> > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/bsd.html
>
> Yeah, the "obnoxious BSD advertising clause" seems a little
> ridiculous. I suppose there can always be practical problems when
> choosing to use content from one license within the context of
> another. I'm not sure what you mean specifically by pointing out the
> original BSD problem; do you mean CC BY and original BSD could produce
> a long list of authors (or advertising clauses), or other license
> requirements that would be practically impossible to follow?
>
> I agree that might be the case, but I think a user willing to go
> through with those requirements gains the legal right to use a
> particular work in any way as long as he or she follows all the
> license requirements. To clarify, I'm talking about situations where
> you use CC BY licensed content in a particular work and license it
> with some other license. You might do this because you like the other
> license better, or you're using work from another copyleft license and
> have to comply with those requirements. I don't see anything legally
> wrong with doing this. IANAL, but let me give my reasoning below.
>
> Assuming the license requirements did not conflict with one another, I
> believe you could use each license's work together provided you fill
> ALL the license requirements of each.
>
> Let's say we have some content using two different licenses, CopyLeft
> and NonCopyleft. Because the license requirements don't overlap, using
> the two together shouldn't be a problem as long as you fulfill both
> sets of requirements.
>
> FinalWork = SomeContent( CopyLeft ) + SomeContent( NonCopyLeft );
> FinalWork.Requirements = CopyLeft.Requirements() +
> NonCopyLeft.Requirements();
>
> However, because one of CopyLeft's requirements is that you license
> under CopyLeft, we have to do that.
>
> FinalWork.License = CopyLeft( FinalWork );
>
> But let's say we're using some content using two non-copyleft licenses
> called NonCopyLeftA and NonCopyLeftB. Assuming the license
> requirements do not conflict, the requirements to use these works will
> be as follows:
>
> FinalWork = SomeContent( NonCopyLeftA ) + SomeContent( NonCopyLeftB );
> FinalWork.Requirements = NonCopyLeftA.Requirements(); +
> NonCopyLeftB.Requirements();
>
> In this case, neither license has a requirement that the final work be
> licensed a certain way. So, we can license our final work however we
> want.
>
> FinalWork.License = ARR( FinalWork );
>
> So, the list of license requirements might become excessively long and
> practically impossible as we add more licenses and therefore more
> requirements, but as long as the final work's requirements has one or
> fewer copyleft requirements and no one requirement conflicts with any
> other, I believe it's legally possible to use non-copyleft work under
> any license you want.
>
> Again, IANAL, this is not legal advice (only C++).

I meant to make no great point other than to point out that a license with 
basically an attribution requirement could be incompatible with a specific 
copyleft license.

So using the comment I replied to as a rule of thumb for a search of content 
is fine, taking it as an all clear may cause you problems depending on the 
circumstances. 

So, just more of a heads up comment by me for those who have not thought much 
about this.

I could be mistaken as well.
>
> Best,
> // Matt

all the best,

drew
>
> --
> Matthew J. Agnello
> http://hungryfilmmaker.com/
> < matt.agnello at gmail.com >
>
> On May 4, 2008, at 8:37 AM, drew Roberts wrote:
> > On Sunday 04 May 2008 11:26:41 Matthew J. Agnello wrote:
> >> Since CC BY has no license requirements other than attribution, I
> >> would think it could be used in any work as long as attribution is
> >> given, including ARR work. Hopefully the Wikimedia's request for true
> >> interoperability will finally get filled by CC and FSF; I know it's
> >> been on the table for some time now.
> >
> > There can still be problems,can't there?... See the Original BSD and
> > GPL
> > issues:
> >
> > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#OriginalBSD
> > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/bsd.html
> >
> >> Best,
> >> // Matt
> >
> > all the best,
> >
> > drew
> >
> >> --
> >> Matthew J. Agnello
> >> http://hungryfilmmaker.com/
> >> < matt.agnello at gmail.com >
> >>
> >> On May 4, 2008, at 6:44 AM, Chris Watkins wrote:
> >>> After some digging, I discovered that CC-by material can be used
> >>> under GFDL - which is very good news.
> >>>
> >>> It seems strange that this info is buried rather than prominently on
> >>> the CC site, but the source is James Grimmelmann, a law academic,
> >>> and it seems like he should know. I added the source link to the CC
> >>> wiki, at
> >>> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Interoperability_between_Creative_Commo
> >>>ns _licenses_and_GFDL#CC-by
> >>>
> >>> It does seem that there should be some more official statement on
> >>> the CC site, from CC and/or FSF - the source I have is a one word
> >>> answer on a mailing list (even if it is from someone who should
> >>> know).
> >>>
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