[cc-community] rethink attribution

Matthew J. Agnello matt.agnello at gmail.com
Sat May 3 16:58:27 EDT 2008


Keep in mind, the only content that can be used without attribution is  
PD or CC0 work, not just BY-SA.

Also, I've gone to a couple clubs where the DJ has a scrolling LED  
display. I love it, because I'll often seek out the artist later. I'd  
recommend any DJ do it if possible.

// Matt

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Matt Agnello
http://www.hungryfilmmaker.com/

On May 3, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Rob Myers <rob at robmyers.org> wrote:

> Jamison Young wrote:
>>> it's common sense not to expect a dj to constantly hit pause
>> If a listener can't place the art with the attribution, how can the
>> art be considered to have been attributed?
>
> Radio DJs say "and that was The Captains Of Industry followed by Near
> Meth Experience. Before that was S.V.V. and before the commercial  
> break
> it was The Sisterhood". The art has been attributed *appropriately to
> the medium*.
>
> But club DJs don't attribute. At all. It could therefore be argued  
> that
> the appropriate attribution for that medium is none.
>
> Possibly bands could start putting their names in songs again:
>
> "U-U-U-U-Utah, Utah Saints!"
>
> ;-)
>
>> Doesn't it make sense
>> that free-culture DJ's innovate to make sure the artists that give
>> that content freely are attributed?
>
> Certainly DJs could print up set list flyers, have LED scrolling
> displays, or LCD screens or projectors showing attribution  
> information.
> A Web 2.0 site might be a good approach if it is acceptable under the
> licence.
>
> But if DJs have to do this then it may be easier both in terms of
> practicality and in terms of managing risk simply not to bother with
> BY-SA music.
>
> When attribution becomes burdensome it affects the freedom to use the
> work. And when this happens people won't use the work and so artists
> won't get attributed anyway.
>
>> I thought part of the deal with creative commons was, i don't get
>> paid when the content gets a use, I get attributed. Consider that
>> music artists in the US are able to use a creative commons license
>> and be a member of a rights organization. Artists outside the US are
>> able to join ASCAP with little difficulty, to join ASCAP costs 25
>> dollars.
>
> It's part of the deal, certainly. But it's not the main part of the
> deal. Enforcing it to the point where people's ability to use the work
> under the ShareAlike becomes compromised is counter-productive both  
> for
> promotion and more importantly for freedom.
>
> - Rob.
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