[cc-community] cc-community Digest, Vol 46, Issue 9

Jamison Young jam at iarts.cc
Mon Mar 10 12:05:47 EDT 2008


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> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:45:36 -0500
> From: Terry Hancock <hancock at anansispaceworks.com>
> Subject: Re: [cc-community] non-commercial use
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> Jamison Young wrote:
>> Questions: even if a site is set up as a non-profit is it fair that
>> they run google adds with content licensed under a non-commercial
>> license?  I understand that often the non-profit makes very little
>> from the adds, yet how do creators view this use?
>
> In fact, in many cases, they are lucky if they make up the hosting  
> fees.
> It costs money to distribute content over the internet. Artists are
> getting a free ride when they distribute that way -- but *somebody*  
> has
> to pay the bills, or the party's over.
>
>> Are most artists ok
>> about that art  being associated with any product that google choose
>> for ever and not participating in any part of that revenue?  If a
>> creative commons non-commercial use did not allow any kind of
>> associated advertising, would the license work better? Is there a
>> demand for a non-commercial license that does not allow advertising?
>
> Since the CC guidelines prohibit this kind of use, the question is
> rather the reverse -- is there demand among artists for a  
> *sustainable*
> system for distributing their content?
>
> CC-By-SA provides a much better solution for that. The SA means  
> that in
> fact, no one is going to be gouging prices as the natural market price
> for SA works is precisely the cost of distribution, and as such,
> monopoly-inflated costs (if anyone is stupid enough to charge them or
> pay them) will not last.
>
> And I don't mean this personally against you, Jamison, but I do find
> this attitude a little exasperating:
>
> I mean if you think it's such a money-making racket to run a
> distribution site, why don't YOU do it? Then you would definitely be
> participating in the income, wouldn't you?

Its not so much the money involved, yet more the association with  
product (that the artist is not in control of). I figure that a lot  
of artists are already hosting their own sites, many might just want  
to expand that use from that site without a corporation. Also  
consider how many non-profit organizations are funded through  
government revenues (especially here in Europe).

> An if your answer is "but I don't know how" or "but that takes  
> capital"
> or "but that's a lot of work" -- well, then, don't you think that the
> people who *can* do those things to contribute to your success deserve
> to be paid for the work they are doing for you?

Allowing adverts with an non commercial license means that people  
might go to a centralized site first rather than directly to the  
artists site.  I reckon there could be a demand for a license that  
allowed no banners. Also some artists might not like "their" content  
being re-mixed with other content and then being put on sites like  
youtube.

I license the content i create using CC BY, yet parks with-out  
billboards plastered all over the place is somewhere i prefer to walk  
around. Do we all want a free trip on train in return for a google  
tattoo? What comes first the business or the art?

>
> Cheers,
> Terry
>
> -- 
> Terry Hancock (hancock at AnansiSpaceworks.com)
> Anansi Spaceworks http://www.AnansiSpaceworks.com
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> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:59:15 +0000
> From: Jay Murphy <magic at inch.com>
> Subject: [cc-community] Conference announcement "Recoded: Landscapes
> 	and	Politics of New Media" April 25-6 Aberdeen, Scotland
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>          										      *******  CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT  *******
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> The Centre for Modern Thought at the University of Aberdeen is
> holding a conference on  ?Recoded: Landscapes and Politics of New
> Media?  (April 25-26, 2008), featuring many of the international
> leaders in the field: Wendy Hui Kyong Chun (Brown);  Sande Cohen
> (CalArts);  Alexander Galloway (NYU);  Ken Goldberg (Berkeley);  Mark
> Hansen (Chicago);  Thomas Keenan (Bard);  Tim Lenoir (Duke);  Tom
> Levin (Princeton); Laura Marks (Simon Fraser);  Colin Milburn
> (Davis); Trevor Paglen (Berkeley); Kriss Ravetto-Biagioli,
> (Aberdeen);  Brian Rotman (OSU);  Julia Scher (Kunsthochschule f?r
> Medien, K?ln); Eugene Thacker (Georgia Tech); Sha-Xin Wei
> (Concordia); Siegfried Zielinski (Universit?t der K?nste, Berlin) and
> commentaries by Mario Biagioli (Aberdeen and Harvard), Arnold
> Davidson (Chicago); Christopher Fynsk (Aberdeen), Peter Galison
> (Harvard), and Alberto Moreiras (Aberdeen and SUNY Buffalo).
>
> The conference program also features the UK premiere of Peter Galison
> and Rob Moss Secrecy (2007) ? a 2007 Sundance Festival Selection
> (www.secrecyfilm.com).
>
> The "New Media" is perhaps the most discussed field in the arts and
> the humanities today, reflecting a desire to engage with and
> understand the way in which digital technologies have revolutionized
> the practice of everyday life by becoming an integral part of how we
> work, communicate, understand ourselves, make art as well as war.
> The extraordinary attention received by the new media does not,
> however, come with a consensus about the interpretive frameworks most
> appropriate for these materials, or about the boundaries of the field
> and its connections to other discipline and practices.
> This conference aims to promote a serious discussion on the place of
> the new media in modern thought, culture, and the university by
> presenting a broad set of perspectives from academic disciplines and
> art practices, and by bringing together key new media theorists and
> scholars together with theoretically sophisticated practitioners from
> other fields.  New fruitful conceptualizations of the new media and
> its futures are, we believe, most likely to emerge from such
> conversations.
>
> Committed to bypassing the traps set by dichotomies between
> technophilia and technophobia, power and resistance, art and science,
> technology and the human, and other such binaries, the conference
> wants to explore how new media is posing problems to how we think
> about States, institutions, subjects and materiality itself.
>
> Registration information, full program, abstracts, and bios can be
> found at:  www.abdn.ac.uk/modernthought /recoded/
>
> Kriss Ravetto-Biagioli
> Mario Biagioli
> Chris Fynsk
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