[cc-community] No Hard Copy Distribution Condition (Let's discuss)

Ocetalo zelus.et.radix at gmail.com
Wed Feb 13 18:34:27 EST 2008


*Greg's works are meant to be serious works as far as I can tell:*

Thanks a lot for the links. I had no idea about Greg London. Looks very
interesting.
Sure, they are serious, but not the serious I'm talking about (excepting,
maybe, the Courage Vow). I mean works on politics, religion, and the like. I
don't think the content of The Libre Labyrinth neither reflects a religious
or political ideology nor is a red book capable of "mobilizing" people to
e.g. a protest or revolution and change substantial aspects of their
principles, morals and lives.

*I am concerned with licenses that give those freedoms to non-code works.
Well,
and the ones for code, but that is something for another topic.
*
You want libre intercambio del conocimiento como propiedad colectiva de la
humanidad (free exchange of the knowledge as a colective property of
humankind), if I understand well.

*And I want to do my best to see that
money (for me) is not the factor that keeps me from doing so.
*
By reading your opinions, now I somewhat feel like doing the same, too

God bless you Drew


On Feb 13, 2008 11:45 AM, drew Roberts <zotz at 100jamz.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday 13 February 2008 09:49, Ocetalo wrote:
> > *Well, I don't see it this way exactly. I think BY-SA and BY are fine
> for
> > important works as well.
> > *
> > Please give real examples, or some you consider would be successful.
>
> Just off the top of my head:
>
> Greg's works are meant to be serious works as far as I can tell:
>
> http://www.greglondon.com/libre/index.htm (CC BY :
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/us/ )
>
> and
>
> http://www.greglondon.com/bountyhunters/index.htm ( CC BY :
> http://www.GregLondon.com/cc/by )
>
> I will look for more when I have time.
>
> If you consider the first drafts of my NaNoWriMo novels serious works,
> those
> are BY-SA
> >
> > *I am not so much CC and non-CC. I am more Free non-Free.*
> >
> > I don't understand.
>
> Check out the Free Software definiion:
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
>
> I am concerned with licenses that give those freedoms to non-code works.
> Well,
> and the ones for code, but that is something for another topic.
> >
> > *We may need to grow in our understanding of misusing someone's words to
> > imply
> > beliefs on their part which they do not hold.
> > *
> > *And we may need to be more sophisticated in understanding that what
> > someone may think (as in have a thought) and be willing to express as a
> > thought that they had, may not be what they believe. And that even some
> > things that thet believe may not be sure, firm, and settled beliefs.
> > *
> > That's right, but one can't forget that not every people in the world is
> so
> > sophisticated (taking "sophisticated" as a neutral, not necessarily
> > positive term). There are many who have sure, firm and settled beliefs,
> and
> > their radical thinking should be respected, too. However, I still
> believe
> > CC is not for them.
>
> I will still do my best to grant people those Freedoms with my works as
> much
> as I can see myself clear to do so. And I want to do my best to see that
> money (for me) is not the factor that keeps me from doing so.
> >
> > *How much stuff is supposedly getting passed around the net today that
> the
> > owners of the copyrights on the works are supposedly not OK with and yet
> > the passing around is still going strong? Sometimes I think you can get
> > something
> > spread faster by getting it banned or such.
> > *
> > That's a fact. Laws on moral rights can prevent organizations from
> misusing
> > by risk of prosecution but, as you say, there's no way to
> > *effectively*prevent misuse. Not on Earth.
>
> Bingo. And you reputation is gone if it is gone.
>
> all the best,
>
> drew
> >
> > On Feb 12, 2008 9:30 PM, drew Roberts <zotz at 100jamz.com> wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 12 February 2008 18:33:47 Ocetalo wrote:
> > > > Until this point, I have reached one first conclusion from this
> > >
> > > interesting
> > >
> > > > discussion:
> > > > CC is fine for blogs, posts, "easy" expression, but any work deemed
> as
> > > > serious stuff and delicate matter which may offend the sensibilities
> of
> > > > certain people/group or bring unwanted, greatly damaging
> consecuences
> > > > in real world (the word has power) for the author and/or third
> parties,
> > > > CC
> > >
> > > is
> > >
> > > > not recommended.
> > > > That's pretty good. CC is intended to make easy that what should be
> > > > easy but for some reason is not, isn't it?
> > >
> > > Well, I don't see it this way exactly. I think BY-SA and BY are fine
> for
> > > important works as well.
> > >
> > > I am not so much CC and non-CC. I am more Free non-Free.
> > >
> > > We may need to grow in our understanding of misusing someone's words
> to
> > > imply
> > > beliefs on their part which they do not hold.
> > >
> > > And we may need to be more sophisticated in understanding that what
> > > someone
> > > may think (as in have a thought) and be willing to express as a
> thought
> > > that
> > > they had, may not be what they believe. And that even some things that
> > > thet
> > > believe may not be sure, firm, and settled beliefs.
> > >
> > > Surely, some real damaging users are happy to do the damage even if
> they
> > > break
> > > copyright law to do so.
> > >
> > > How much stuff is supposedly getting passed around the net today that
> the
> > > owners of the copyrights on the works are supposedly not OK with and
> yet
> > > the
> > > passing around is still going strong? Sometimes I think you can get
> > > something
> > > spread faster by getting it banned or such.
> > >
> > > Just a mix of thoughts there.
> > >
> > > all the best,
> > >
> > > drew
> > >
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