[cc-community] No Hard Copy Distribution Condition (Let's discuss)
drew Roberts
zotz at 100jamz.com
Wed Feb 13 11:45:45 EST 2008
On Wednesday 13 February 2008 09:49, Ocetalo wrote:
> *Well, I don't see it this way exactly. I think BY-SA and BY are fine for
> important works as well.
> *
> Please give real examples, or some you consider would be successful.
Just off the top of my head:
Greg's works are meant to be serious works as far as I can tell:
http://www.greglondon.com/libre/index.htm (CC BY :
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/us/ )
and
http://www.greglondon.com/bountyhunters/index.htm ( CC BY :
http://www.GregLondon.com/cc/by )
I will look for more when I have time.
If you consider the first drafts of my NaNoWriMo novels serious works, those
are BY-SA
>
> *I am not so much CC and non-CC. I am more Free non-Free.*
>
> I don't understand.
Check out the Free Software definiion:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
I am concerned with licenses that give those freedoms to non-code works. Well,
and the ones for code, but that is something for another topic.
>
> *We may need to grow in our understanding of misusing someone's words to
> imply
> beliefs on their part which they do not hold.
> *
> *And we may need to be more sophisticated in understanding that what
> someone may think (as in have a thought) and be willing to express as a
> thought that they had, may not be what they believe. And that even some
> things that thet believe may not be sure, firm, and settled beliefs.
> *
> That's right, but one can't forget that not every people in the world is so
> sophisticated (taking "sophisticated" as a neutral, not necessarily
> positive term). There are many who have sure, firm and settled beliefs, and
> their radical thinking should be respected, too. However, I still believe
> CC is not for them.
I will still do my best to grant people those Freedoms with my works as much
as I can see myself clear to do so. And I want to do my best to see that
money (for me) is not the factor that keeps me from doing so.
>
> *How much stuff is supposedly getting passed around the net today that the
> owners of the copyrights on the works are supposedly not OK with and yet
> the passing around is still going strong? Sometimes I think you can get
> something
> spread faster by getting it banned or such.
> *
> That's a fact. Laws on moral rights can prevent organizations from misusing
> by risk of prosecution but, as you say, there's no way to
> *effectively*prevent misuse. Not on Earth.
Bingo. And you reputation is gone if it is gone.
all the best,
drew
>
> On Feb 12, 2008 9:30 PM, drew Roberts <zotz at 100jamz.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 12 February 2008 18:33:47 Ocetalo wrote:
> > > Until this point, I have reached one first conclusion from this
> >
> > interesting
> >
> > > discussion:
> > > CC is fine for blogs, posts, "easy" expression, but any work deemed as
> > > serious stuff and delicate matter which may offend the sensibilities of
> > > certain people/group or bring unwanted, greatly damaging consecuences
> > > in real world (the word has power) for the author and/or third parties,
> > > CC
> >
> > is
> >
> > > not recommended.
> > > That's pretty good. CC is intended to make easy that what should be
> > > easy but for some reason is not, isn't it?
> >
> > Well, I don't see it this way exactly. I think BY-SA and BY are fine for
> > important works as well.
> >
> > I am not so much CC and non-CC. I am more Free non-Free.
> >
> > We may need to grow in our understanding of misusing someone's words to
> > imply
> > beliefs on their part which they do not hold.
> >
> > And we may need to be more sophisticated in understanding that what
> > someone
> > may think (as in have a thought) and be willing to express as a thought
> > that
> > they had, may not be what they believe. And that even some things that
> > thet
> > believe may not be sure, firm, and settled beliefs.
> >
> > Surely, some real damaging users are happy to do the damage even if they
> > break
> > copyright law to do so.
> >
> > How much stuff is supposedly getting passed around the net today that the
> > owners of the copyrights on the works are supposedly not OK with and yet
> > the
> > passing around is still going strong? Sometimes I think you can get
> > something
> > spread faster by getting it banned or such.
> >
> > Just a mix of thoughts there.
> >
> > all the best,
> >
> > drew
> >
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