[cc-community] creative commons advice

Ching, James james at alt-process.com
Wed Dec 31 17:16:06 EST 2008


Great comments Fred and Drew, it sounds like it does come down to which
license is provided by default and to solve the problem of users who are
hesitant to provide works because of the license, I'll provide an option
in their profile allowing them to select an alternative license... that
should keep all of the users happy :)

Thanks again for the comments and I will be sure to let everyone know
when we are in beta.

-James
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:cc-community-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of drew
Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 01:28 PM
To: cc-community at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [cc-community] creative commons advice

On Wednesday 31 December 2008 11:45:35 Fred Benenson wrote:
> I'm not really sure what the difference between "throwaway" and
> "substantial" is, but I do know that copyleft makes more sense for
some
> projects and BY makes sense for others.

For me, throwaway refers to minor works that one would not worry too
much what 
happened to them, substantial would be ones that one would care more
about.
>
> If you are concerned about work getting co-opted and used in
proprietary
> forms, then you may want to stick with a copyleft license like BY-SA.
On
> the other hand, if you just wish for your work to travel as far and as
wide
> as possible (and be used in proprietary environments) then BY might be
what
> you're looking for.

The real question is, if only one license is too be available of the
two, 
BY-SA and BY, which should it be? If you anticipate substantial works, I

submit that I think BY-SA would be the better choice.

Unless we feel that there are a large number of users who would
contribute BY 
works but would refuse to contribute if only BY-SA were available. That
seems 
unlikely to me. Whereas, I can much more easily see a goodly number of
users 
who would submit BY-SA but would not submit BY.
>
> This  choice evokes the differences between permissive and copyleft
> licenses:
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_license#Permissive_versus_Cop
yle
>ft_controversy
>
> Good luck and let us know when its live!
>
> F

all the best,

drew
>
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>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:23 PM, drew Roberts <zotz at 100jamz.com>
wrote:
> > On Tuesday 30 December 2008 18:06:25 Ching, James wrote:
> > > Thanks for the reply, that's good to know, I think I may keep it
simple
> >
> > and
> >
> > > go with a site wide license to start as my main reason is that I
want
> > > the users of my site to know and feel that if their content is
> > > republished at all, they would get acknowledgment.  Appreciate
your
> > > comment and example, thanks again!
> >
> > My thoughts would be BY if you expect the content to be throwaway in
> > nature or
> > BY-SA if you expect the content to be more substantial. A lot of us
are
> > unlikely to use BY for substantial works. Or have BY and BY-SA us
user
> > profile options.
> >
> > > -James
> >
> > all the best,
> >
> > drew
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cc-community-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> > > [mailto:cc-community-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
Burobjorn
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 04:34 PM
> > > To: cc-community at lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: Re: [cc-community] creative commons advice
> > >
> > > James,
> > >
> > > I belief that your application and use of the cc licenses for the
> > > generated content would be perfect. You can either let the user
select
> > > the cc license or you can select a cc license yourself and let
users of
> > > your application adhere to that license.
> > >
> > > Personally I would go for the first option, but if you do want to
limit
> > > the users to one license please consider using a liberal and
Commons
> > > promoting license such as CC-BY or CC-BY-SA. An example of a
service
> > > utilizing the CC-BY license (see the bottom of the site) is
> > > Identi.ca[1] (a microblogging service such as Twitter, but
available as
> > > free, open source software).
> > >
> > > [1] http://identi.ca/
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > >
> > > grtz
> > > BjornW
> > >
> > > met vriendelijke groet,
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> > >
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> > >
> > > Ching, James wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to get some advice on a project that I'm working on
which
> > > > I'm not entirely sure if it would be a good candidate for cc or
not. 
> > > > I'm building an application which allows users to come to the
website
> > > > and write reviews on businesses, events and etc, utilizing those
> > > > reviews, I am going to provide a tool that allows people to
create
> > > > widgets to re-publish these reviews on blogs, their own websites
and
> > > > etc.  After reading more about cc, I was thinking that applying
a
> > > > default license
> >
> > to
> >
> > > > reviews written on my site would be beneficial for both sides,
the
> > > > reviewer and the users utilizing the content on their website or
> > > > blog.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate any advice and/or comments.  Let me know if this is
the
> > > > correct place to post this or if the web forum would be better?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -James
> >
> >
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