[cc-community] CC needs a default form of attribution?
Matthew J. Agnello
matt.agnello at gmail.com
Wed Apr 30 11:01:34 EDT 2008
This probably isn't widespread, but yes, either before and after every
song or after a set of songs the DJ will give an exaustive list of
credits, usually two or three at a time. These podcasts are to expose
people to new types of music they wouldn't, so part of the deal to
play and part of the point to listen is to hear that list. Even on
some radio stations I hear DJs give song title and artist lists after
a few songs, especially for new music.
So, I see it as very possible to have a radio station or especially a
podcast have no problem complying with these requirements. Of course,
can't know until you ask.
Best,
// Matt
-----
Matt Agnello
http://www.hungryfilmmaker.com/
On Apr 30, 2008, at 6:03 AM, drew Roberts <zotz at 100jamz.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 April 2008 11:26:48 Matthew J. Agnello wrote:
>> Regarding the radio station, that behavior is identical to what radio
>> stations do already. "That was 'I Don't Believe in Imaginary
>> Property'
>> by 'The Copyfighters.' You can grab their CD on CD Baby, or check out
>> their website at blagidyblagidyblah.com." A lot of the podcasts I
>> listen to (not CC work) do this excessively, since I assume that's
>> part of the deal to use the music.
>
> Not before or after every song. We run one station that has only 2
> DJs. One
> morning and one afternoon. The rest is handled by "Mr. Auto" and we
> get
> complaints that even the real DJs don't give song and artist info
> enough. Mr.
> Auto is another case entirely.
>
> I am concerned about this as I would like to see some of my BY-SA
> works played
> at some point. (Had 2 spins on a college station in Maryland so
> far...)
>>
>> Best,
>> // Matt
>
> all the best,
>
> drew
>>
>> --
>> Matthew J. Agnello
>> http://hungryfilmmaker.com/
>> < matt.agnello at gmail.com >
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2008, at 4:38 AM, drew Roberts wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 29 April 2008 00:01:04 Jamison Young wrote:
>>>>> From: "Mike Linksvayer"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Attribution. You must credit the author and/or designated
>>>>> organization by name; note the title of the work; and give the URI
>>>>> and/or text of any copyright notices. If you change the work, you
>>>>> must
>>>>> note the changes."
>>>>>
>>>>> vs the current
>>>>>
>>>>> "Attribution. You must attribute the work in the manner
>>>>> specified by
>>>>> the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they
>>>>> endorse you or your use of the work)."
>>>>>
>>>>> Including the non-endorsement stuff would obtain something like
>>>>>
>>>>> "Attribution. You must credit the author and/or designated
>>>>> organization by name (but not in any way that suggests that they
>>>>> endorse you or your use of the work); note the title of the work;
>>>>> and
>>>>> give the URI and/or text of any copyright notices. If you change
>>>>> the
>>>>> work, you must note the changes."
>>>>>
>>>>> Any feedback on that? I'll see what is thought of it internally.
>>>>
>>>> Attribution.
>>>> for radio station?
>>>> -straight after the track was played or prior the station would
>>>> mention the artist's song and website.
>>>
>>> And so any CC licensed works are unlikely to be used under the cc
>>> license on
>>> any regular radio.
>>>
>>>> for a night club/event?
>>>> -the song/tittle/website might be on a list that was part of a
>>>> ticket.
>>>> -songs might be on a website from the night.
>>>> -after or prior to each song the DJ would announce the song.
>>>
>>> And so any CC licensed works are unlikely to be used under the cc
>>> license in
>>> any regular club.
>>>
>>> Am I wrong?
>>>
>>>> -after each song was played the creator/producer/writers of the
>>>> songs
>>>> names might glow above the DJ's head.
>>>> for someone that sang someone else's song and recorded it?
>>>> -the performer could announce that this was someone's song with
>>>> website prior to singing the song, make it part of the recording.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think a link from the license might suggest different ways
>>>> to
>>>> attribute for different uses?
>>>>
>>>> A problems with rights organizations (from the self publishers
>>>> point
>>>> of view) is that the rights organizations give the venue/radio/club
>>>> the right to use content as they choose (at a cost), the user of
>>>> content is under no obligation to attribute the artist. If good
>>>> attribution conditions were attached to the license, self
>>>> publishing
>>>> artists that are not commercial- might be more inclined to use a
>>>> creative commons license. Also: If an artist is not a member of a
>>>> rights organization- then the cafe/bar/radio station/non-profit
>>>> organization has no platform to use a song. A lot of songwriters
>>>> would like attribution attached to a song that included -a website
>>>> link/ tittle of the track/ performer and writer of songs name,
>>>> maybe
>>>> even producers. Attribution can be a sensitive issue. Could
>>>> attribution conditions be built into the license, if the artist
>>>> would
>>>> choose? Could a couple of different defaults exist? Is a default
>>>> possible with so many variables?
>>>
>>> all the best,
>>>
>>> drew
>>>
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