[cc-community] CC+?
Bodo Balazs
bodo at mokk.bme.hu
Wed Oct 17 08:26:27 EDT 2007
Thanks for all the comments, looking forward for an in-depthz discussion if
you are interested.
Currently I am woring on the issue of air-tight-ness, by analyzing forum
discussions of illegal file-sharers on why they decided to go against the
will of the copyright holders by illegally uploading, distributing their
copyright protected materiels. I hope to understand the limits and
possibilities of fan loyalty by doing this.
Best,
b.-
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[mailto:cc-community-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Giorgos
Cheliotis
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [cc-community] CC+?
Bodo,
glad to see someone exploring the club model in more depth. I have yet to
read your paper, but from the first two pages I can tell it will get high
priority on my ever expanding to-read list :)
My first thoughts on this are that especially when it comes to music,
limiting sharing and remixing to a club will be very difficult, as it is way
too easy for the work to be spread with or without the author's consent
beyond the club. But the club model has potential I believe. For example, a
club may collectively pay a band to release all the 'source files' to a
music recording (individual tracks, sequencer files, alternate takes, etc.)
- such files will likely not spread far beyond the club (if at all), because
(a) they will be much larger than the mp3 of the final mix, and (b) will
have extra value only for the fans in the club who are eager to listen to
alternate versions of the recording or want to take it apart to study it,
appreciate it and remix it.
Giorgos
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From: cc-community-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of Bodo Balazs
Sent: Tue 10/16/2007 12:39 AM
To: cc-community at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [cc-community] CC+?
Hello,
I've been thinking about this issue from another perspective: how can you
convince (C) holders to release their works to a limited number of users,
like a fan-club, so they can share, remix those works among themselves.
I've written a longer analysis on this topic for an EU financed research
project we do with CC members in the Netherlands and Finnland. The paper can
be read here:
http://www.warsystems.hu/?p=517
b.-
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[mailto:cc-community-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hancock
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:52 AM
To: cc-community at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [cc-community] CC+?
drew Roberts wrote:
> I think you completely misunderstood my point and I may have
> misunderstood the point I responded to. I was not talking about the
> CC+ deal underdiscussion here.
Yeah, we're talking at complete cross-purposes here. :-)
Actually, THREE separate concepts have been conflated in this little
threadlet:
1) tax-dollar financed grants for artistic works
2) collecting society systems
3) collective purchasing of public rights in a work
1 & 3 are closer to each other than is 2.
2 is "collective" in artists. 1 & 3 are collective in buyers. 1 is fully
coercive (you must pay taxes), 2 is semi-voluntary in some countries and
coercive in others (depends on the laws surrounding collecting societies),
and 3 is fully voluntary.
I was talking about 3, but omitted some specific verbage to make this clear.
Hence the "Mr. Pickypants" post. ;-)
This came up, because I was suggesting that CC+ should be compatible with
option 3 above, as well as the more common commercial rights deals that it
was probably designed for.
I think if we want to discuss this any further, we need new threads. :-)
Cheers,
Terry
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Terry Hancock (hancock at AnansiSpaceworks.com) Anansi Spaceworks
http://www.AnansiSpaceworks.com <http://www.anansispaceworks.com/>
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