[cc-community] CC+?
Tim Cowlishaw
tim at timcowlishaw.co.uk
Tue Oct 16 10:43:13 EDT 2007
Hi Elisa,
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of translating this into Italian!
Thanks,
Tim
On 10/16/07, Elisa Malvestio <tonica.94 at hotmail.it> wrote:
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> basta avete rotto i coglioni....nn mi interessa piu il copiright!!!!
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> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:53:43 +0800
> From: giorgos at smu.edu.sg
> To: cc-community at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [cc-community] CC+?
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> Bodo,
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> glad to see someone exploring the club model in more depth. I have yet to
> read your paper, but from the first two pages I can tell it will get high
> priority on my ever expanding to-read list :)
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> My first thoughts on this are that especially when it comes to music,
> limiting sharing and remixing to a club will be very difficult, as it is way
> too easy for the work to be spread with or without the author's consent
> beyond the club. But the club model has potential I believe. For example, a
> club may collectively pay a band to release all the 'source files' to a
> music recording (individual tracks, sequencer files, alternate takes, etc.)
> - such files will likely not spread far beyond the club (if at all), because
> (a) they will be much larger than the mp3 of the final mix, and (b) will
> have extra value only for the fans in the club who are eager to listen to
> alternate versions of the recording or want to take it apart to study it,
> appreciate it and remix it.
>
> Giorgos
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> From: cc-community-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of
> Bodo Balazs
> Sent: Tue 10/16/2007 12:39 AM
> To: cc-community at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [cc-community] CC+?
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> Hello,
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> I've been thinking about this issue from another perspective: how can you
> convince (C) holders to release their works to a limited number of users,
> like a fan-club, so they can share, remix those works among themselves.
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> I've written a longer analysis on this topic for an EU financed research
> project we do with CC members in the Netherlands and Finnland. The paper can
> be read here:
> http://www.warsystems.hu/?p=517
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> b.-
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cc-community-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:cc-community-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf
> Of Terry Hancock
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:52 AM
> To: cc-community at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [cc-community] CC+?
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> drew Roberts wrote:
> > I think you completely misunderstood my point and I may have
> > misunderstood the point I responded to. I was not talking about the
> > CC+ deal underdiscussion here.
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> Yeah, we're talking at complete cross-purposes here. :-)
>
> Actually, THREE separate concepts have been conflated in this little
> threadlet:
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> 1) tax-dollar financed grants for artistic works
> 2) collecting society systems
> 3) collective purchasing of public rights in a work
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> 1 & 3 are closer to each other than is 2.
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> 2 is "collective" in artists. 1 & 3 are collective in buyers. 1 is fully
> coercive (you must pay taxes), 2 is semi-voluntary in some countries and
> coercive in others (depends on the laws surrounding collecting societies),
> and 3 is fully voluntary.
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> I was talking about 3, but omitted some specific verbage to make this clear.
> Hence the "Mr. Pickypants" post. ;-)
>
> This came up, because I was suggesting that CC+ should be compatible with
> option 3 above, as well as the more common commercial rights deals that it
> was probably designed for.
>
> I think if we want to discuss this any further, we need new threads. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Terry
>
>
> --
> Terry Hancock (hancock at AnansiSpaceworks.com) Anansi Spaceworks
> http://www.AnansiSpaceworks.com
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