[cc-community] CC+?

Elisa Malvestio tonica.94 at hotmail.it
Tue Oct 16 10:08:37 EDT 2007


basta avete rotto i coglioni....nn mi interessa piu il copiright!!!!
 


Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:53:43 +0800From: giorgos at smu.edu.sgTo: cc-community at lists.ibiblio.orgSubject: Re: [cc-community] CC+?


Bodo, 
 
glad to see someone exploring the club model in more depth. I have yet to read your paper, but from the first two pages I can tell it will get high priority on my ever expanding to-read list :)
 
My first thoughts on this are that especially when it comes to music, limiting sharing and remixing to a club will be very difficult, as it is way too easy for the work to be spread with or without the author's consent beyond the club. But the club model has potential I believe. For example, a club may collectively pay a band to release all the 'source files' to a music recording (individual tracks, sequencer files, alternate takes, etc.) - such files will likely not spread far beyond the club (if at all), because (a) they will be much larger than the mp3 of the final mix, and (b) will have extra value only for the fans in the club who are eager to listen to alternate versions of the recording or want to take it apart to study it, appreciate it and remix it. 
 
Giorgos


From: cc-community-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of Bodo BalazsSent: Tue 10/16/2007 12:39 AMTo: cc-community at lists.ibiblio.orgSubject: Re: [cc-community] CC+?

Hello,I've been thinking about this issue from another perspective: how can youconvince (C) holders to release their works to a limited number of users,like a fan-club, so they can share, remix those works among themselves.I've written a longer analysis on this topic for an EU financed researchproject we do with CC members in the Netherlands and Finnland. The paper canbe read here:http://www.warsystems.hu/?p=517b.------Original Message-----From: cc-community-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org[mailto:cc-community-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Terry HancockSent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:52 AMTo: cc-community at lists.ibiblio.orgSubject: Re: [cc-community] CC+?drew Roberts wrote:> I think you completely misunderstood my point and I may have> misunderstood the point I responded to. I was not talking about the> CC+ deal underdiscussion here.Yeah, we're talking at complete cross-purposes here. :-)Actually, THREE separate concepts have been conflated in this littlethreadlet:1) tax-dollar financed grants for artistic works2) collecting society systems3) collective purchasing of public rights in a work1 & 3 are closer to each other than is 2.2 is "collective" in artists. 1 & 3 are collective in buyers. 1 is fullycoercive (you must pay taxes), 2 is semi-voluntary in some countries andcoercive in others (depends on the laws surrounding collecting societies),and 3 is fully voluntary.I was talking about 3, but omitted some specific verbage to make this clear.Hence the "Mr. Pickypants" post. ;-)This came up, because I was suggesting that CC+ should be compatible withoption 3 above, as well as the more common commercial rights deals that itwas probably designed for.I think if we want to discuss this any further, we need new threads. :-)Cheers,Terry--Terry Hancock (hancock at AnansiSpaceworks.com) Anansi Spaceworkshttp://www.AnansiSpaceworks.com_______________________________________________cc-community mailing listcc-community at lists.ibiblio.orghttp://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-community_______________________________________________cc-community mailing listcc-community at lists.ibiblio.orghttp://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-community
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