[cc-community] CC+?

drew Roberts zotz at 100jamz.com
Wed Oct 10 16:39:58 EDT 2007


On Wednesday 10 October 2007 02:54 pm, Asheesh Laroia wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, drew Roberts wrote:
> > On Wednesday 10 October 2007 10:32 am, Terry Hancock wrote:
> >> drew Roberts wrote:
> >>> Along the involuntary collective lines, I suggest that we push for all
> >>> such financing to require Free licensing on the resulting works as a
> >>> requirement of obtaining such funding. ~;-)
> >>
> >> Heh. Well, drew, I suspect that's in the "if you pay for the system,
> >> you can run it however you like" category. ;-)
> >
> > I think you completely misunderstood my point and I may have
> > misunderstood the point I responded to. I was not talking about the CC+
> > deal underdiscussion here.
> >
> > I thought that the "involuntary collective"  bit was referring to
> > government funding for the arts and what not. So, seperate from anything
> > we are discussing in the CC realm, my point was that I think no tax
> > money should go to support works which are not going to be put under a
> > Free license.
>
> I think Mike was referring to e.g. radio licensing regimes where the radio
> station can play whatever it wants and pay some flat fee to the (C)
> holder.  T

Do some (all) countries do things this way? I thought those were voluntary on 
the part of the artists signing up with a collection society. (I think I 
understood that some of the web streaming stuff was different.) And I did 
know about statutory licenses for covering songs...

> his is "involuntary" collective licensing in that the (C) holder 
> can't decline and say the radio station can't play his songs. 

I thought the reference was to tax dollars funding the arts... where being 
taxed was the involuntary collection...

> It differs 
> from e.g. the EFF's suggestion of voluntary collective licensing
> <http://www.eff.org/share/collective_lic_wp.php>.
>
> -- Asheesh.
all the best,

drew


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