[cc-community] 10k great Free songs (was Re: Rcrd Lbl to offer CC and Free as in Beer Music)

Lucas Gonze lucas.gonze at gmail.com
Tue Nov 20 19:00:45 EST 2007


> > It's not hard to get him to
> > pontificate on how the difference between functional and expressive
> > works has a huge impact on permissive licensing.  The gist of it is
> > that he doesn't think permissive licensing makes sense for stuff aside
> > from programs except in the special case of factual works like
> > software manuals.

On Nov 20, 2007 3:09 PM, drew Roberts <zotz at 100jamz.com> wrote:
> Can you point to examples specifically. I may have always misread what I saw,
> or I may just be remembering things incorrectly.
>
> Are you sure that is the point, or is it more, that he believes it applies to
> one and hasn't taken thetime to think throught if it may apply to the other
> since it is not his area? And perhaps it doesn't apply for the same reasons?

I'm sure.  His case is always about the natural verity of an expression.

If you do the abstractions yourself you see that there are two strands
in his philosophy, one about the power to improve your lot by fixing
stuff or making stuff, and one about being empowered to live in and
contribute to a community.  The first strand is strictly about
functional things and definitely precludes expressive works.  The
second is fairly mushy and not defined with the same elegance and
clarity as the first.

> It could just be that old programmer hubris from that famous list...

Some of this.

> Not getting how art works...???

Some of this.

> In any case, this really has not been his area historically. Has it?

And some of this too.

I'm not saying that open media begins and ends with Richard Stallman,
because it absolutely does not.  This is just to share what I have
learned.

-Lucas


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