[cc-community] Does BY-SA extend to a newspaper?
drew Roberts
zotz at 100jamz.com
Thu Apr 19 15:21:27 EDT 2007
On Thursday 19 April 2007 10:10 am, Lawrence Lessig wrote:
> I think we need to have a real, extended discussion of this. I like
> this proposal, though I don't know enough to say I think it is right.
> I'm hopeful the iCommons Summit might be an opportunity to work
> through this more carefully.
I don't really know anything about iCommons or the Summit. I am just here on
community and licenses.
I am very interested in these issues though and am willing to take part in
extended discussions of them.
all the best,
drew
>
> On Apr 13, 2007, at 11:02 AM, drew Roberts wrote:
> > On Friday 13 April 2007 01:37 pm, Lawrence Lessig wrote:
> >> I am not sure I see how the GFDL solves any perceived problem that
> >> BY-
> >> SA creates. The GFDL, like every copyleft license I know of, applies
> >> its obligation to license beyond the original work only if there is a
> >> "modification." It, more over, explicitly permits items to be mixed
> >> without the copyleft component being applied to the other works. A
> >> photographer concerned that the copyleft rules of the BY-SA don't
> >> obligate enough won't get additional obligations from the GFDL.
> >>
> >> This is indeed why, e.g., Erik, is thinking about a clever
> >> modification to the BY-SA scope to apply the obligation beyond
> >> derivatives. But until such modifications are added, either to the CC
> >> licenses or the GFDL, copyleft licenses will raise this important
> >> issue for photographers, and other authors too.
> >
> > Would you care to comment on my thoughts on a way to deal with this
> > as posted
> > here:
> >
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-community/2007-April/001702.html
> >
> > Also, if something like this could work, could the sync rights move
> > over to
> > such a scheme or could we at least have a more narrowly defined set of
> > circumstances where sync rights are needed?
> >
> > all the best,
> >
> > drew
> >
> >> On Apr 12, 2007, at 1:23 PM, Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
> >>> <quote who="Elizabeth Stark" date="Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 05:51:06PM
> >>> -0400">
> >>>
> >>>> Nope. Under the license, it only applies to the photo itself in
> >>>> the context
> >>>> of a newspaper. So they used it correctly.
> >>>
> >>> CC seems to have a taken a position that the license basically
> >>> stops at
> >>> the edge of a photograph. Basically, this means that if you don't
> >>> modify
> >>> the content of a photograph, you can basically do what you want
> >>> with it
> >>> under an an SA license (of course, Evan's comments, and a few
> >>> things he
> >>> didn't say, still need to be kept in mind).
> >>>
> >>> This is one reason a number of photographs who upload to Wikimedia
> >>> Commons prefer the GFDL and its related to the reason why Larry
> >>> Lessig
> >>> has analogizing NC clauses and copyleft for software -- although I
> >>> personally disagree with Lessig's argument in this respect.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Mako
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Benjamin Mako Hill
> >>> mako at atdot.cc
> >>> http://mako.cc/
> >>>
> >>> Creativity can be a social contribution, but only in so
> >>> far as society is free to use the results. --RMS
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