[cc-community] CC licensing

Jon Phillips jon at creativecommons.org
Fri Dec 15 16:23:49 EST 2006


On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 16:15 -0500, Fred Benenson wrote:
> Another thing to think about : metadata -- simply converting media is
> sometimes not really the hardest part, but its organizing it that is
> killer. How useful is a DVD with 500 images transferred from
> negatives? 

True...the value is in getting them online to a site, licensed properly,
and tagged properly...real mark-up of content...

> Unfortunately, this process is quite time intensive and subjective,
> eg. Who wants the dude at the photo store tagging their family photos
> with "cute kid"? 
> 
Yeah, there should be some form ppl. should fill out that has some
pre-determined tags and then basically there could be very systems to
encourage ppl to do this, like tagging games, etc..

Like hello sir, your images are digitized, but the final step is to go
through and tag them which takes only as long as you want with our
tagging game...basically, the best approach is to rely on people as much
as possible...

Jon


> F
> 
> On 12/15/06, Jon Phillips <jon at creativecommons.org> wrote:
>         On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 19:33 +0000, Justin Morgan wrote:
>         > Can you not already take a roll of film or negatives to a
>         photo
>         > development place, where they put your photos onto a CD or
>         DVD?
>         
>         Really, please add that to my wiki... 
>         
>         > Well, even if you can, I can't tell you how much I have, as
>         a
>         > consumer, wished for an affordable way to digitize old
>         stuff.
>         > Families have entire bookshelves of old photo albums,
>         cupboards full 
>         > of old VHS tapes, analogue camcorder cassettes, old LPs in
>         their
>         > attic, tape cassettes in untold numbers of drawers and
>         documents they
>         > can't find time to sort through, but presumably you would
>         have to 
>         > insist that they only submit their own, original content.
>         Not much of
>         > this content is going to be worth keeping on the web longer
>         than it
>         > takes the owner to download it to their own computer, I
>         suspect. 
>         
>         Agree...maybe this is something google hopes to get into
>         post-book-scanning... ;)
>         
>         > So presumably people would mail in their tangible stuff, and
>         the
>         > stuff would be digitized and made available to download.
>         There are 
>         > already other services that take your digital content and
>         put it back
>         > onto physical media, after all. Having said that, in the
>         case of
>         > video content, it would make more sense to mail a DVD back
>         to the 
>         > customer wouldn't it?
>         
>         It could be mailed, but I like the idea of making local shops
>         as well
>         for accountability...who wants to mail their personal stuff
>         all over the
>         place with possibility for loss, etc? 
>         
>         The benefits though of focusing on this type of business would
>         be to
>         drive down costs and standardize on some packages...its super
>         expensive
>         to get this done at video houses and kinkos...maybe best is to
>         do it 
>         generically or something by weight...like 20 pounds of images
>         X
>         $10/pound or something ;)
>         
>         Jon
>         
>         > On 15 Dec 2006, at 18:49, Jon Phillips wrote:
>         >
>         > > On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 12:15 -0500, Fred Benenson wrote: 
>         > >> It has been a  while since I've been in San Francisco,
>         but I'm pretty
>         > >> sure there's a place that does this on Mission around
>         13th or 14th?
>         > >> They might just do DVD / VHS conversion, and they didn't
>         seem to be 
>         > >> particularly enlightened with respect to technology / the
>         larger
>         > >> trends here.
>         > >>
>         > >> Another thing to think about offerring : maybe a service
>         to
>         > >> distribute 
>         > >> the work, or at least get it online? I'd be curious if
>         there is a
>         > >> demand for helping people get their stuff on Archive.org,
>         as it is
>         > >> kind of a difficult process if you're trying to do an
>         entire 
>         > >> movie. Of
>         > >> course, this extends to YouTube, etc..
>         > >>
>         > >>
>         > >> F
>         > >>
>         > > Yah, could you imagine having some flat fee like $50-100
>         to digitize a 
>         > > photo album...I couldn't imagine families and others not
>         wanting
>         > > this...anyone on this list good at market research?
>         > >
>         > > Jon
>         > >
>         > >> On 12/15/06, Jon Phillips < jon at creativecommons.org>
>         wrote:
>         > >>         On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 19:46 -0500, drew Roberts
>         wrote: 
>         > >>> On Thursday 30 November 2006 03:27 pm, Jon Phillips
>         wrote: 
>         > >>>> On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 15:19 -0500, drew Roberts wrote:
>         > >>>>> On Thursday 30 November 2006 02:53 pm,
>         rob at robmyers.org
>         > >>         wrote: 
>         > >>>>>> Quoting Jon Phillips <jon at rejon.org>:
>         > >>>>>>> I'm cc'ing the cc-community list to get more 
>         > >>         opinions. What do you 
>         > >>>>>>> all think about this? Russell is hoping to release
>         > >>         500 labels with
>         > >>>>>>> more customized designs that consist of "royalty 
>         > >>         free" clip art, his
>         > >>>>>>> companies labels (public domain), and he paid
>         > >>         designers to lay them
>         > >>>>>>> out.
>         > >>>>>>
>         > >>>>>> If the images are governed by a non-CC license then
>         > >>         the CC license
>         > >>>>>> cannot be the
>         > >>>>>> entire agreement so it cannot be applied. I think 
>         > >>         you're right that the
>         > >>>>>> work cannot be CC licensed if the work is not clearly
>         > >>         pure PD.
>         > >>>>>>
>         > >>>>>>> I recommend that he uses clip art from Open Clip
>         Art 
>         > >>         Library and/or
>         > >>>>>>> spend time to document what is needed and try to
>         > >>         pull from public
>         > >>>>>>> domain and other licensed compatible works. 
>         > >>>>>>
>         > >>>>>> Tell us more about this "Open Clip Art Library",
>         > >>         Jon. ;-)
>         > >>>>>>
>         > >>>>>>> Oh, he wants to cc-license this 500 label 
>         > >>         collection...
>         > >>>>>>
>         > >>>>>> The licensing of "royalty free", often actually PD
>         > >>         work, in clipart is
>         > >>>>>> an area that really needs clearing up. I get quite 
>         > >>         annoyed at
>         > >>>>>> publishers who claim collective copyright on PD
>         > >>         collections then try to
>         > >>>>>> license individual works in the collection to you. I 
>         > >>         won't touch
>         > >>>>>> anything from "Dover" with a copyright in it for this
>         > >>         reason.
>         > >>>>>
>         > >>>>> I think song publishers do this too. 
>         > >>>>>
>         > >>>>> You can get PD songs, claiming to be the best attempt
>         at
>         > >>         the original
>         > >>>>> works and also claiming a copyright on the individual 
>         > >>         songs in a book of
>         > >>>>> collected folk songs for example.
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> Yeah, so I guess the proper thing to do would be to go
>         > >>         back to the 
>         > >>>> originals, digitize them and make them available
>         on-line
>         > >>         to remove this
>         > >>>> problem from the situation.
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> Anyone wanna help the Open Clip Art Library 
>         > >>         (www.openclipart.org) by
>         > >>>> going to the originals, scanning them and making this 
>         > >>         available as a
>         > >>>> resource for the world? 
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> The same should be done for music/scores and other
>         content
>         > >>         in the public
>         > >>>> domain...which brings me back to the a great business
>         idea 
>         > >>         I have for
>         > >>>> digitization (of the analog world)...like kinkos but
>         for
>         > >>         digitization of
>         > >>>> your non-digital world. Is anyone interested in this? 
>         > >>>
>         > >>> If the business idea results in more Free, preferably
>         > >>         copyleft works, I would
>         > >>> like to hear it.
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> Jon 
>         > >>>
>         > >>> all the best,
>         > >>>
>         > >>> drew
>         > >>
>         > >>         Ok, I added my notes on this idea to my wiki
>         page. Basically,
>         > >>         the idea 
>         > >>         is to create a business like FedexKinkos, but for
>         converting
>         > >>         your analog
>         > >>         bits (photos, original works, old documents) into
>         digital
>         > >> bits 
>         > >>         of
>         > >>         varying quality for a fee...I think this would be
>         a really
>         > >>         solid
>         > >>         business...anyone want to help start it?
>         > >> 
>         > >>         Ok, please add your thoughts and expand on the
>         wiki...I'll
>         > >>         then blog it
>         > >>         to get more involvement...
>         > >>
>         > >>         http://rejon.org/wiki/Digitization_Organization
>         > >>
>         > >>
>         > >>         Jon
>         > >>
>         > >>         --
>         > >>         Jon Phillips
>         > >>         jon at creativecommons.org
>         > >>         cell: 510.499.0894
>         > >>
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