[cc-community] Benjamin Mako Hill on Creative Commons
robmyers at mac.com
Mon Aug 1 15:47:09 EDT 2005
On 1 Aug 2005, at 19:57, Greg London wrote:
> your "reality" isn't supported historically.
> I mention this in my bounty hunters book,
Which is excellent:
I didn't realise there was a print edition. I just ordered a copy.
> but basically,
> copyright and patent laws came into existence about the
> same time that teh renassaince occurred.
The ideas came before the exploitation. Copyright came some time
after. And not at the epicentre of the renaissance. And to limit
exploitation of ideas, not ensure it.
> i.e. about the same time that intellectual ideas were
> being recognized as valuable in and of themselves.
And hijackings became popular around the time more people could
afford air travel. Therefore hijackings drove the development of air
> That isn't much of a track record.
Let's separate high culture, folk culture, and mass culture.
High culture is paid for by patrons. It is pre-paid, any copying
simply enhances its reputation.
Folk culture is made by ordinary folk using their own means. This
used to be knives and wood, or flutes, or whatever, but now means
stock PCs. Spot the problem here...
Mass culture is kitsch, approriated folk culture that is mass
produced and sold to the masses. It is mass culture that copyright
applies to the exploitation of. But it does not differentiate between
mass, folk and high culture. And it only really encourages mass
culture. This is part of the problem.
Even if, for the sake of argument, we agree that professional/"high"
artists will only create for money (they'd do better to train in law
or accounting, and if they expect to do it with CDs or canvasses
they'd do better to buy a lottery ticket, but anyway), there is the
problem that folk or private culture is now being exposed to the same
demands (if value then right, to Lessigise) as official or commercial
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