From me@isaacmao.com Tue Nov 11 20:41:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cc-cn@lists.ibiblio.org Received: from mail.yifang.com.cn (unknown [61.152.96.181]) by happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C1F20013 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from p4845g (unknown [218.79.80.190]) by mail.yifang.com.cn (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59831AE4BD for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:55:45 +0800 (CST) From: "Isaac Mao" To: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:20:21 +0800 Message-ID: <001901c3a8bb$247edb30$0100a8c0@p4845g> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:50:28 -0500 Subject: [Cc-cn] (no subject) X-BeenThere: cc-cn@lists.ibiblio.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: me@isaacmao.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:41:01 -0000 V2VsY29tZSB0byBDQy1DaGluYSBEaXNjdXNzaW9uIExpc3QsIFBsZWFzZSBkb24ndCBoZXNpdGF0 ZSB0byBjb21tZW50IG9uIG91ciBsaWNlbnNlIGFuZCB3b3JraW5nIG1vZGVsLiAgDQoNCg0KSXNh YWMgTWFvLS0tIGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuaXNhYWNtYW8uY29tIA0K From christiane@creativecommons.org Tue Nov 18 18:01:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cc-cn@lists.ibiblio.org Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CA6200D6 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.messagingengine.com (server1.internal [10.202.2.132]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80A942DD15 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:00:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by server1.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id E263A3F306; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:00:07 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "Christiane Asschenfeldt" To: cc-cn@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:00:07 -0800 X-Sasl-Enc: o5GtG6j+p24Dzo49blewiw 1069196407 Message-Id: <20031118230007.E263A3F306@server1.messagingengine.com> Subject: [Cc-cn] welcome and guidelines for discussion X-BeenThere: cc-cn@lists.ibiblio.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:01:54 -0000 Welcome to the discussion of the Creative Commons licenses in China! It is my great pleasure to present to you Mr. Isaac Mao, our project lead. So far, it is not possible to post messages in Chinese characters. We are working on that. Meanwhile, we apologize for the inconvenience and ask for your patience. I would appreciate it, if you took the time to read the following suggestions for the use of the mailing list. They have proven valuable in other Creative Commons countries. 1) We suggest you bookmark important emails for future reference. For example: http://creativecommons.org/projects/international/cn/license is the first draft of the translation/adaptation by CNBlog.org and Isaac Mao. You will most likely return to it often, as it is the centerpiece of the discussion. Please bookmark it now for efficiency. Also: http://creativecommons.org/projects/international/cn/english-changes.pdf is the re-translation of the license plus the explanation of what substantive legal changes were made. It may prove useful to bookmark this, too. 2) Please try and keep your emails relatively short and limited to one subject per email. This will prevent others from being overwhelmed, and will help to catch up on discussions they may have missed. This approach provides the additional benefit that you will be able to link back to previous emails by subject very easily (as demonstrated above). 3) Please limit your suggestions and comments to things that will help the licenses fit into Chinese law. The role of the discussion is not to second-guess either Creative Commons' general policy or the philosophy reflected in the licenses. It's aim is to change the licenses the least amount possible to make it concord with Chinese law. Suggestions that go beyond this goal will most likely not affect the final license. The first line of judgment on what changes are accepted is Mr. Mao's. The final judgment is Creative Commons' and will be reached with Mr. Mao's help. 4) Please feel free to ask general question about the licenses in the cc-licenses mailing list. Part of the fun of this discussion will be, I hope, that we get to compare the quirks and eccentricities of our respective nations' copyright laws. I expect the archived discussions to serve as a history of this experience. That way, your input will continue be useful to anyone from any country even after the discussion in China is completed. I hope that these suggestions will help to make the discussion free and healthy, yet focused on suggested changes to the licenses. Thank you very much. It's now Isaac Mao's discussion to lead, all the best, Christiane Christiane Asschenfeldt International Commons Coordinator Alte Schoenhauser Strasse 35 D-10119 Berlin, Germany +49.163.77.64.828 christiane@creativecommons.org www.creativecommons.org