[ccAustralia] CC licenses in education- a case study

Leigh Blackall leighblackall at gmail.com
Thu Mar 10 20:23:51 EST 2011


Thanks Elliot,

Indeed it does enable 1 or 2 things I cited as restrictions, specifically
reformatting and uploading to sites that accept media with such
restrictions.

But, I would stop way short of then believing CC By NC ND is then "much less
restrictive and therefore useful" Phil, especially in the case of this
video, or any coming out of ALTC I'd imagine. I don't think I have to repeat
the long list of consequences we've mentioned here.

The only experience I have found these restrictions useful, is in helping
an extremely cautious or conservative person or organisation to take the
first baby steps into Creative Commons licensing. The only people I have met
who have a real need for these sorts of restrictions though, are people with
justifiable commercial interests that would be threatened, or more
importantly - people with cultural or traditional knowledge vulnerable to
insensitive reuse or flat out exploitation.

ALTC and COFA have none of these concerns in this project - clearly.



On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Phil Long <longpd at uq.edu.au> wrote:

> Elliot: thanks for that clarification. That makes the ND, NC provisions
> much less restrictive and therefore useful.
>
> Leigh - that seems to me to indicate that you are free to put up the
> content on a commerically supported site as long as that commercial support
> is not derived from restricting anyone from viewing or performing the work
> uploaded. If they don't then they are just creating a collection that is
> accessible to anyone, as allowed by the NC clause. (Elliot correct me if I'm
> misinterpreting this).
>
> Phil
>
>
> Professor Phillip D. Long, Director, Centre for Educational Innovation and
> Technology
> Level 4, Building 78, The University of Queensland, St Lucia, Brisbane,
> Queensland 4072, Australia, Phone: +61 07 3346 6283, Email:
> longpd at uq.edu.au
>
> On 11/03/2011, at 10:24 AM, elliott bledsoe wrote:
>
> hey all
>
> leigh - although i take your point and actively encourage adoption of the
> broad cc licences, we support the opening of private rights in any way that
> makes copyright more useful for users and creators.
>
> one additional quick comment, format shifting is permitted even under the
> no derivative licences:
>
> the wording of the CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 Unported states:
>
> *3. License Grant.* Subject to the terms and conditions of this License,
> Licensor hereby grants You a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive,
> perpetual (for the duration of the applicable copyright) license to exercise
> the rights in the Work as stated below:
>
>    1. to Reproduce the Work, to incorporate the Work into one or more
>    Collections, and to Reproduce the Work as incorporated in the Collections;
>    and,
>    2. to Distribute and Publicly Perform the Work including as
>    incorporated in Collections.
>
> The above rights may be exercised in all media and formats whether now
> known or hereafter devised. The above rights include the right to make such
> modifications as are technically necessary to exercise the rights in other
> media and formats, but otherwise you have no rights to make Adaptations.
>
> similarly the CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 Aus states:
>
> *3A Grant of Rights*
>
> Provided that the terms set out in this Licence are satisfied, the Licensor
> grants to You a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, perpetual (for the
> duration of the applicable copyright) licence to exercise the following
> rights:
>
>    1. Reproduce the Work;
>    2. incorporate the Work into one or more Collections;
>    3. Reproduce the Work as incorporated in any Collection;
>    4. Distribute and publicly perform the Work or the Work as incorporated
>    in any Collection.
>
> *3B Media, Formats and No Derivative Works*
>
> The above rights may be exercised in any media or format whether now known
> or hereafter created. They include the right to make modifications that are
> technically necessary to exercise the rights in other media and formats.
> Other than such technical modifications, You have no rights to make
> Derivative Works.
>
> *
>
> _elliott*
> *
> *
> *elliott bledsoe*
> project officer, ccAustralia <http://creativecommons.org.au/> &
> research assistant, CCi <http://www.cci.edu.au/>
>
> <http://creativecommons.org.au/>
>
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>         0405059367                 http://creativecommons.org.au
>
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>
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> Creative Industries and Innovation <http://www.cci.edu.au/>'s Law for
> Creative Innovation research program in conjunction with the QUT Faculty
> of Law <http://www.law.qut.edu.au/>'s Intellectual Property: Knowledge,
> Culture and Economy <http://www.ip.qut.edu.au/> research program.
>
>
> On 6 March 2011 20:11, Leigh Blackall <leighblackall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm interested why/how the video came to wear the license Non Commercial
>> and No Derivatives? I saw no content within it that forced that...
>>
>> Tama encouraged educational media producers, even students to use more
>> liberal licenses, but was left high and dry by the producers of this video,
>> looking slightly hypocritical as a result.
>>
>> The Non Commercial restriction prevents me loading it to other
>> commercially sustained video sharing sites, certainly most educational
>> institutions these days, perhaps that was precisely the reason, this is the
>> Australian education sector after all.. The No Derivative restriction
>> prevents transcriptions, translations, sub titling, or maybe even copying it
>> into an open standard format. Certainly I can't do anything with it but
>> watch it at the location prescribe by the College.
>>
>> I don't mean to be harsh, but how does the College, with a pretty high
>> percentage of funding from Australian taxes, justify these restrictions? How
>> did Tama come to give release for recordings of his face and words in this?
>> Especially when it portrays the producers, and even Tama by association,
>> as being more conservative than the Australian Government<http://agimo.govspace.gov.au/2010/10/07/government-2-0-update-%E2%80%93-amended-ip-principles-released/>these days!
>>
>> There must be a reason, I'd like to know, it wasn't apparent in the video.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Jessica Coates <j2.coates at qut.edu.au>wrote:
>>
>>> Excellent advocating, sir
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: cc-au-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [cc-au-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Tama Leaver [tamaleaver at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, 3 March 2011 9:55 AM
>>> To: cc-au at lists.ibiblio.org
>>> Cc: Elke Dawson
>>> Subject: Re: [ccAustralia] CC licenses in education- a case study
>>>
>>> Hi Catherine,
>>>
>>> Glad it looks useful for your purposes. :) The point of the videos is
>>> to share them, so obviously you can embed the YouTube video right now
>>> if you want to.  The video us up under a CC license (BY NC ND), but if
>>> you want a decent quality version, you might want to contact the COFA
>>> team who filmed and made the videos.  The main contact person for this
>>> is Simon McIntyre (LTTO Project Leader) s.mcintyre at unsw.edu.au (Phone
>>> +61 2 9385 0631).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tama
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Copyright <copyright at cqu.edu.au> wrote:
>>> > Dear Tama,
>>> >
>>> > Would it be ok if I was to upload this video on our institution's
>>> websites especially the Library one and the copyright one. I'm encouraging
>>> lecturers to use CC materials and these videos would be really helpful.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Catherine Wattiaux  :   Copyright & Repository Services Librarian
>>> >
>>> > CQUniversity
>>> > Building 41/ 47
>>> > Bruce Highway
>>> > Rockhampton QLD 4702
>>> > copyright at cqu.edu.au
>>> > Fax: + 07 4930 6381 Ph.: + 07 4923 2660
>>> > http://www.copyright.cqu.edu.au
>>> > University Copyright Network ucn-list at cqu.edu.au
>>> >
>>> > Keep informed - Rockhampton Library Refurbishment Project
>>> www.cqu.edu.au/library2011
>>> > Please Use the "Reply all" feature on your e-mail.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: cc-au-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:
>>> cc-au-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Tama Leaver
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2011 8:40 PM
>>> > To: cc-au at lists.ibiblio.org
>>> > Subject: [ccAustralia] CC licenses in education- a case study
>>> >
>>> > Hi All,
>>> >
>>> > Of interest for CC users in Australia, and especially Australian
>>> > educators, the COFA team have put together a series of online video
>>> > and teaching and learning, with one in particular that I contributed
>>> > to called "Understanding Creative Commons - Case Study" which examines
>>> > using CC licenses in education (especially where students are creating
>>> > media). It's basically a 9 minute YouTube clip and a related PDF fact
>>> > sheet.   This might be useful for some folks on this list, so the link
>>> > is
>>> http://online.cofa.unsw.edu.au/learning-to-teach-online/ltto-episodes?view=video&video=239
>>> > or you can jump straight to the YouTube clip
>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYhIsItdue4
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Tama
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Dr Tama Leaver
>>> > Lecturer in Internet Studies
>>> > Faculty of Humanities, Curtin University of Technology
>>> > GPO Box U1987 Perth WA Australia 6845
>>> > Phone: (+61 8) 9266 1258
>>> > Fax: (+61 8) 9266 3166
>>> > Email: t.leaver at curtin.edu.au
>>> > Web: www.tamaleaver.net
>>> >
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>>> Faculty of Humanities, Curtin University of Technology
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>>> Fax: (+61 8) 9266 3166
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