[Biblical-languages] Re: [b-hebrew] Unicode Holam proposals
Pere Casanellas
pere.casanellas at btlink.net
Tue Aug 3 05:55:17 EDT 2004
Dear Peter Kirk,
I was trying to answer to your invitation to make comments on your proposal
to encode Holam Male and Vav Haluma, but I could not fint the document
proposed by Michael Everson. Could you please verify the URL you indicated
for this alternative proposal? (With the URL you indicated I get a document
whose title is "Proposal to add Ideographical Description Characters (IDC)
to the UCS".)
Thanks.
--
Pere Casanellas
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At 00:14 01/08/2004 +0100, Peter Kirk wrote:
>Please excuse the cross posting of an announcement which is relevant to
>members of several groups (and a few individuals receiving blind copies).
>
>I have submitted to the Unicode Technical Committee, in the name of a
>small group of Hebrew experts, a new proposal for solving the long
>standing problem of distinguishing between Holam Male (full Holem) and Vav
>Haluma (consonantal Waw with defective Holem) in Unicode Hebrew texts. You
>may read this proposal (which is much shorter than the old proposal
>submitted in June) at http://www.qaya.org/academic/hebrew/Holam3.pdf, or
>...Holam3.html. This proposal is based on using the ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER
>character to distinguish between Holam Male and Vav Haluma. This proposal
>was based on the consensus preference of a number of experts in ancient
>and modern Hebrew who contributed to the discussion.
>
>An alternative proposal has been submitted by Michael Everson, a
>generalist script expert and Indo-Europeanist with little knowledge of
>Hebrew, and Mark Shoulson, an American Jew. This alternative proposal
>(which should soon be available at
>http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2840.pdf but is not what you
>currently get when you go to that URL) is for a new character for use as
>Holam Haser (defective Holem) only when used with Vav. This proposal is,
>in my opinion, based on clear misunderstandings of how the Hebrew script works.
>
>The Hebrew experts involved in the discussions have clearly rejected the
>principle of encoding a new character for a variant Holam. Nevertheless,
>some influential people in the Unicode Consortium seem determined to
>impose on Hebrew script users a new character which they do not want. The
>alternative may not be rendered precisely correctly with some older
>rendering engines (but in practice probably can be by any engine which can
>handle right-to-left script), but it is based clearly on how the Hebrew
>script works.
>
>I invite all interested parties, especially regular users of Hebrew
>script, to make comments on the proposal I have submitted, and on the
>alternative proposal if they are able to find it. Comments should be made
>directly to the Unicode Consortium via
>http://www.unicode.org/reporting.html, or by e-mail to human3 at unicode.org.
>They should be made before the Unicode Technical Committee meeting which
>starts on 10th August. I will be happy to receive copies of any comments.
>
>--
>Peter Kirk
>peter at qaya.org (personal)
>peterkirk at qaya.org (work)
>http://www.qaya.org/
>
>
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