[Biblical-languages] Greek apostrophe

biblang at ntresources.com biblang at ntresources.com
Thu May 1 21:51:36 EDT 2003


Can someone check this on one of the Unicode lists and see if anyone
involved in the mapping decisions knows what is intended?

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Rodney J. Decker, Th.D., Associate Prof/NT
Baptist Bible Seminary, Clarks Summit, PA,USA
NTResources.com  PURL: purl.oclc.org/NT_Resources/
Email: <rdecker> at <NTResources.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Kirk 
> [mailto:peter.r.kirk.at.ntlworld.com at biblang.at.ntresources.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:32 PM
> To: 'Biblical Languages'
> Cc: sil_fonts at sil.org
> Subject: RE: [Biblical-languages] Greek apostrophe
> 
> 
> In the Unicode database 1FBD is actually Koronis and looks 
> the same as 1FBF Psili, and 1FFE is Dasia. From the code 
> chart, http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1F00.pdf:
> 
> 1FBD ᾽ GREEK KORONIS
> ˜ 0020 _ 0313  ̓
> 
> 1FFE ῾ GREEK DASIA
> ˜ 0020 _ 0314  ̔
> 
> But I agree that 2019 is a good choice, not least because it 
> is already widely used, unless someone knows what I suspect, 
> that 1FBD is actually intended to be the Greek apostrophe. 
> But I note that the in Keyman keyboard (GrkPolyCompv5.KMN) 
> distributed with the Galatia SIL Greek Unicode Fonts 
> (http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/silgrkuni/) the 
> apostrophe key actually generates 1FBF, although there is a 
> comment 2019 on this line suggesting that this was used in a 
> previous version. But this is almost certainly wrong. On the 
> other hand, in the same package the conversion table SIL 
> Galatia – Unicode.cct convert apostrophes to 1FBD, but the 
> table SILGreek.map (probably the source of the text I have) 
> converts to modifier_letter_apostrophe which is 02BC, and not 
> included in the accomapnying font. I’ll copy this to the 
> technical support people for this package. Peter Kirk 
> peter.r.kirk at ntlworld.com http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
>   
> -----Original Message-----
> From: biblical-languages-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org 
> [mailto:biblical-languages-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On 
> Behalf Of biblang at ntresources.com
> Sent: 01 May 2003 20:03
> To: biblical-languages at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: RE: [Biblical-languages] Greek apostrophe
> 
> I *think* that 2019 is the right character for apostrophe 
> regardless of language. 
> 1FBF, Psili (= smooth breathing) and 1FBD, Dasia (= rough 
> breathing) are intended to be paired as breathing marks and 
> it would be inappropriate to use either of these to indicate 
> elision/apostrophe rather than breathing. The Classical Greek 
> keyboard (Lopez) for Keyman generates 2019. 
> The Apostolic Fathers at ccel use 2019. (The text of these 
> documents were entered manually using Unitype GlobalWriter.) 
> Ralph Hancock's texts of LXX and NT use 2019 (though in spot 
> checking, I found one Dasia--probably in error). 
> ==================================================== 
> Rodney J. Decker, Th.D., Associate Prof/NT 
> Baptist Bible Seminary, Clarks Summit, PA,USA 
> NTResources.com  PURL: purl.oclc.org/NT_Resources/ 
> Email: <rdecker> at <NTResources.com> 
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>   
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Kirk 
> > [mailto:peter.r.kirk.at.ntlworld.com at biblang.at.ntresources.com] 
> > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:55 PM 
> > To: biblical-languages at lists.ibiblio.org 
> > Subject: [Biblical-languages] Greek apostrophe 
> > 
> > 
> > Can anyone advise me which Unicode character should be used
> > for the Greek apostrophe, as in a phrase like AP' ARCHS? 
> > There seem to be a number of 
> > candidates: 
> > 
> > 0027 - the easy way out!;
> > 02BC - probably not as this is supposed to be a letter of the 
> > alphabet; 1FBD - this is called KORONIS, which according to 
> > Liddell and Scott (!) may mean "a flourish with the pen at 
> > the end of a book: generally, the end, completion"; 1FBF - 
> > probably not a this is called PSILI which seems to mean 
> > smooth breathing; 2019 - Unicode's "preferred character for 
> > apostrophe", but they may be thinking of Latin script here. 
> > 
> > Which codes are used in existing Unicode Greek texts? (One
> > text I have has 
> > 02BC.) Which are supported in fonts? (In Galatia SIL, 0027 is 
> > a straight apostrophe, 02BC is omitted, and the last three 
> > have apparently identical glyphs looking like a smooth 
> > breathing.) And which are generated by keyboards? 
> > 
> > Peter Kirk
> > peter.r.kirk at ntlworld.com 
> > http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/ 
> 
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