[Biblical-languages] Greek apostrophe
biblang at ntresources.com
biblang at ntresources.com
Thu May 1 21:51:36 EDT 2003
Can someone check this on one of the Unicode lists and see if anyone
involved in the mapping decisions knows what is intended?
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Rodney J. Decker, Th.D., Associate Prof/NT
Baptist Bible Seminary, Clarks Summit, PA,USA
NTResources.com PURL: purl.oclc.org/NT_Resources/
Email: <rdecker> at <NTResources.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Kirk
> [mailto:peter.r.kirk.at.ntlworld.com at biblang.at.ntresources.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:32 PM
> To: 'Biblical Languages'
> Cc: sil_fonts at sil.org
> Subject: RE: [Biblical-languages] Greek apostrophe
>
>
> In the Unicode database 1FBD is actually Koronis and looks
> the same as 1FBF Psili, and 1FFE is Dasia. From the code
> chart, http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1F00.pdf:
>
> 1FBD ᾽ GREEK KORONIS
> ˜ 0020 _ 0313 ̓
>
> 1FFE ῾ GREEK DASIA
> ˜ 0020 _ 0314 ̔
>
> But I agree that 2019 is a good choice, not least because it
> is already widely used, unless someone knows what I suspect,
> that 1FBD is actually intended to be the Greek apostrophe.
> But I note that the in Keyman keyboard (GrkPolyCompv5.KMN)
> distributed with the Galatia SIL Greek Unicode Fonts
> (http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/silgrkuni/) the
> apostrophe key actually generates 1FBF, although there is a
> comment 2019 on this line suggesting that this was used in a
> previous version. But this is almost certainly wrong. On the
> other hand, in the same package the conversion table SIL
> Galatia – Unicode.cct convert apostrophes to 1FBD, but the
> table SILGreek.map (probably the source of the text I have)
> converts to modifier_letter_apostrophe which is 02BC, and not
> included in the accomapnying font. I’ll copy this to the
> technical support people for this package. Peter Kirk
> peter.r.kirk at ntlworld.com http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: biblical-languages-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:biblical-languages-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On
> Behalf Of biblang at ntresources.com
> Sent: 01 May 2003 20:03
> To: biblical-languages at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: RE: [Biblical-languages] Greek apostrophe
>
> I *think* that 2019 is the right character for apostrophe
> regardless of language.
> 1FBF, Psili (= smooth breathing) and 1FBD, Dasia (= rough
> breathing) are intended to be paired as breathing marks and
> it would be inappropriate to use either of these to indicate
> elision/apostrophe rather than breathing. The Classical Greek
> keyboard (Lopez) for Keyman generates 2019.
> The Apostolic Fathers at ccel use 2019. (The text of these
> documents were entered manually using Unitype GlobalWriter.)
> Ralph Hancock's texts of LXX and NT use 2019 (though in spot
> checking, I found one Dasia--probably in error).
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> Rodney J. Decker, Th.D., Associate Prof/NT
> Baptist Bible Seminary, Clarks Summit, PA,USA
> NTResources.com PURL: purl.oclc.org/NT_Resources/
> Email: <rdecker> at <NTResources.com>
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Kirk
> > [mailto:peter.r.kirk.at.ntlworld.com at biblang.at.ntresources.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:55 PM
> > To: biblical-languages at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [Biblical-languages] Greek apostrophe
> >
> >
> > Can anyone advise me which Unicode character should be used
> > for the Greek apostrophe, as in a phrase like AP' ARCHS?
> > There seem to be a number of
> > candidates:
> >
> > 0027 - the easy way out!;
> > 02BC - probably not as this is supposed to be a letter of the
> > alphabet; 1FBD - this is called KORONIS, which according to
> > Liddell and Scott (!) may mean "a flourish with the pen at
> > the end of a book: generally, the end, completion"; 1FBF -
> > probably not a this is called PSILI which seems to mean
> > smooth breathing; 2019 - Unicode's "preferred character for
> > apostrophe", but they may be thinking of Latin script here.
> >
> > Which codes are used in existing Unicode Greek texts? (One
> > text I have has
> > 02BC.) Which are supported in fonts? (In Galatia SIL, 0027 is
> > a straight apostrophe, 02BC is omitted, and the last three
> > have apparently identical glyphs looking like a smooth
> > breathing.) And which are generated by keyboards?
> >
> > Peter Kirk
> > peter.r.kirk at ntlworld.com
> > http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
>
>
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