[b-hebrew] Father in law and son in law
David Kolinsky
yishalom at sbcglobal.net
Tue Jan 18 15:32:17 EST 2011
Pere,
Actually a circumcision is a contract between an Israelite and G-d. This comes through with the Hebrew word for circumcision B'ReyTh also which literally means "a thing made clear" or more specifically "a clear understanding between two parties > a covenant, a contract." BRH is Sabaic means = testimony, BR in Arabic means "a true and valid statement."
Regards
David Kolinsky
--- On Mon, 1/17/11, Pere Porta <pporta7 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Pere Porta <pporta7 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Father in law and son in law
To: "David Kolinsky" <yishalom at sbcglobal.net>
Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 10:21 PM
Maybe.
But some lexicons, DBD for an example, say that "chtn" relates to the meaning "circumcise" (nothing about a sealing of a contract).
chtn (ð of foll.; prob. circumcise; cf. Ar. häataana circumcise, häitaÀnun circumcision, circumcision-feast).
Thanks!
Pere
2011/1/17 David Kolinsky <yishalom at sbcglobal.net>
Pere,
Of course this proposal will be rejected by most on this list, but here is what I think. In Biblical Hebrew times, marriage was more a contract between the father of the bride and her proposed husband. The word for sealing a contract is ChaTaM and I suggest that the word ChaTaN evolved from that.
Regards,
David Kolinsky
Monterey, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 07:06:06 +0100
From: Pere Porta <pporta7 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Any reason?
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Hi, list.
We have in Ex 18:1 noun XOT"N, father-in-law.
We have in 1Sa 18:18 XFTFN, son-in-law or daughter's husband.
It seems clear that both nouns are related: their consonants are the same
and appear in the same order....
I'm wondering whether there is a good reason for this:
Pattern of XOT"N is that of Qal Participle while pattern of XFTFN is that of
many Hebrew nouns (such as DFBFR, word (Gn 18:14) or ZFKFR, male in Gn
1:27).
Would the reverse equally have been possible?
Namely, that XOT"N would mean daughter's husband and XFTFN would mean
father-in-law...
Is there any reason for things having gone the way they have gone and not
the reverse way?
Pere Porta
(Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain)
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