[b-hebrew] Ps 31:12
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Wed Jan 12 00:10:33 EST 2011
>> No, a Pual of verbs ayin"yod consisting of M + two root letters, as it
>> is the case for M)D, is not found in Hebrew, Karl. And it is not found
>> because it does not exist.
> Is it a ayin yod verb, or is it that the noun is derived from a hiphil
> rendering of the root? It is not listed as a verb in the concordance.
> So what do you think it is, in a way that fits the context and syntax? The
> adjective “very” does not fit.
> In this discussion, I start with context and syntax, then ask “What is it?”
> The message I understand from your posting is that you start, and end, with
> the form as it appears with its Masoretic points. You look at grammar, while
> I look at meaning.
> While I try to be careful to avoid the etymological error, at the same time
> I recognize that not all verbs had a three letter root: only the majority
> had triliteral roots, a few have quadriliteral roots, while there are many
> that should have biliteral roots—many but not all of those that are listed
> in dictionaries as ayin waw and ayin yod verbs (in my dictionary I still
> list them according to the traditional triliteral roots, because of
> tradition, but when I read Tanakh I see them acting as biliteral verbs).
> So back to this verse, I see a context and syntax indicating that this word
> in its form should be a piel or pual participle, and ask “What is it?” What
> do you say it is?
I think, Karl, that it is the adverb, with meaning "much", (not the
adjective "very" as you write). And I would guess that all scholars would
Indeed, at giving my answer I centered on the grammar of the word M)D and
not on the meaning of the whole verse.
These are two quite different issues:
--one is the analyzing or parsing of a given word (within a verse)
--one is trying to get the true meaning of the verse where a given word
(analyzed or not) is placed.
Though related, these are two quite different issues.
I'm aware you're trying to get a "rational" translation of this verse, Karl.
I'm not sure of my capabilities of helping you in this respect.
But..... I realize that in the Psalms there are many verses that are quite
difficult to us, to our minds...
Let us take Ps 38:6:
*My wounds fester and stink because of my foolish sins.*
Do you feel this text, this translation is understable to our XXI century
Now, how could we translate this verse so that it could be understood by
today readers? This is a big problem!
May your work as a lexicographer provide some help to solve it!!
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