[b-hebrew] Noun in -WT

Pere Porta pporta7 at gmail.com
Wed Apr 20 23:43:26 EDT 2011


Though I did not write it, I intended, Karl, to say discussing on "biblical
Hebrew", not Hebrew in general.
The debate would center on biblical Hebrew.

And within this, the discussion would not be limited to the masoretic
pointing... but to many aspects of the issue.

Or we could deal with nouns ending -YT (CPYT, carpet, in Is 21:5; R)$YT,
beginning, in Gn 1:1; )XRYT, end, in Ps 37:37...).
How there are too adjectives ending -YT, as KTYT, beaten (1Ki 5:25)?
Is there any relation between nouns ending -YT and adjectives ending -YT?

There are many issues like these, that can be of interest of many.


Friendly,

Pere Porta
(Barcelona, Catalona, Spain)

2011/4/21 K Randolph <kwrandolph at gmail.com>

> Pere:
>
>  On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Pere Porta <pporta7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My proposal, Karl, points only  --at least in a first step--  to nouns
>> ending in -WT  (read: -oot in the English system) and within the boundaries
>> of, so to say, basic nouns as those I brought in my mail.
>>
>
> Oh, I see, this is not a question about Biblical Hebrew, as it is expressed
> in Tanakh.
>
>>
>> We could deal, for instance, with the following issues:
>>
>> 1. Why some have shewa in the first syllable while others have qamats.
>>
>
> You’ll have to ask the Masoretes, and study the dialect of a thousand years
> after Biblical Hebrew ceased to be the first language of the people. The
> same with your other questions.
>
>
>> 2. How they form their plural abolute.
>> 3. Those with qamats, do they keep this qamats in the declension?
>> 4. Which meaning they developed starting from the basic meaning of the
>> stem.
>> 5. Why some stems gave a noun in -WT while other stems of the same type
>> did not.
>>
>> And so on.
>>
>> This could become a discussion that could be of interest for many -or at
>> least a relevant part-   of the members of this list, methinks.
>>
>
> You may be right that it is of interest to some on this list, but that
> means that I’ll have to bow out of the discussion, as I am interested in
> Biblical Hebrew for which even Masoretic Hebrew is a distraction.
>
> I tried years ago to master the Mastoretic points, but gave up over a
> decade ago when I realized that they are wrong as far as meaning is
> concerned often enough as to be untrustworthy.
>
> So with a friendly wave, I’ll have to bid adieu to this discussion.
>
>>
>> The threads we could debate are many.
>> And, of course, if someone has other proposals, please, do not hesitate to
>> bring them here.
>>
>> Indeed, debating on the Hebrew language and enlarging our knowledge of
>> it, is the declared purpose of this beloved b-hebrew list.
>>
>> Friendly,
>>
>> Pere Porta
>> (Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain)
>>
>> Karl W. Randolph.
>



-- 
Pere Porta



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