[b-hebrew] Genesis 34:8 consorting with the hapiru
jc.bhebrew at googlemail.com
Thu May 13 02:05:45 EDT 2010
why don't you do a PhD on one of those subjects?
On 13 May 2010 02:31, <jimstinehart at aol.com> wrote:
> James Christian:
> Many of us would love to see a Ph.D thesis on one or more of the following
> 1. What is the meaning of the Hurrian name Arioch?
> 2. Is Elassar a Hittite name, and what is its meaning?
> 3. Is Amrapel a west Semitic name that apparently means "Amorite
> 4. Is "Shenir" a Hurrian word for Hurrian-dominated Syria?
> 5. Are the letters that make up "Chedorlaomer" a Ugaritic curse?
> 6. Is MLK (LM in defective spelling uniquely attested at Ugarit, and what
> is the significance of that?
> 7. Is XCCN TMR a Hurrian name? [Arioch is a bona fide Hurrian name, and
> since chapter 14 of Genesis is recognized by scholars as being very old, the
> reference to Hurrians at Genesis 14: 6 is probably a reference to the
> historical Hurrians. So a Hurrian analysis makes sense for names in chapter
> 14 of Genesis.]
> 8. Is QD$ the west Semitic rendering of a Hurrian name, either KD$W or
> 9. Is En Mishpat the functional equivalent of (YN $W at item #5 on the T
> III list, and is $W a Hurrian word, with both phrases referencing towering
> Mt. Hermon, which dominated the view of Qadesh of Upper Galilee?
> 10. Is Seir at Genesis 14: 6 the same as Seru in Abdi-Heba's Amarna
> Letter, and in both cases is that the Seir/Jazer in the well-wooded hill
> country of the Transjordan?
> No one but you is interested in asking a young scholar to try to date the
> Amarna Letters, as you do, by the absence of a reference therein to Sodom
> and Gomorrah. And no one but you would ask a scholar if the Mediterranean
> Sea is a salt sea.
> But the 10 questions listed above could change the world. Why don't any
> university scholars investigate those questions, and publish their
> findings? What gives?
> Jim Stinehart
> Evanston, Illinois
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Christian <jc.bhebrew at googlemail.com>
> To: JimStinehart at aol.com
> Cc: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org; George.Athas at moore.edu.au
> Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 4:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 34:8 consorting with the hapiru
> Hi Jim,
> let me see. I'll write off to all the Hebrew departments in Universities
> around the globe and ask if anybody will fund my PhD bid for a thesis which
> fundamentally posits that the Salt Sea was the mediterranean sea and not the
> Dead Sea and that Sodom and Gomorah were therefore nowhere near the Dead
> Sea. Now, just how many positive replies do you think I'm going to get Jim?
> It's not a conspiracy to hide the truth from the world Jim. It's a matter of
> simple economics. Nobody is going to fund a PhD for such a ridiculous
> hypothesis. The internal evidence is against your theory. The Salt Sea is
> quite clearly the Dead Sea. This is indisputably clear.
> James Christian
> On 13 May 2010 00:37, <JimStinehart at aol.com> wrote:
> > George Athas:
> > You wrote: “The biggest hurdle in your theories is the fact that no one in
> > the biblical narratives has the same name as anyone in the Amarna
> > correspondence. That's pretty big misalignment. (Ok, go ahead and tell me
> > how
> > apparently that's of no significance...)”
> > With all due respect, your assertion is simply not true.
> > 1. Abimelek is the same name for the ruler of Shur in Gerar/Galilee in the
> > Amarna Letters and in chapters 20, 21 and 26 of Genesis. And Abimelek has
> > the same problem in both sources: access to contested water wells.
> > 2. Bieri in Amarna Letter EA 174 is close to Bera at Genesis 14: 2, both
> > of whom are being ravaged by the rampaging Hittites.
> > 3. B-Risha at Genesis 14: 2 is likewise close to Abdi-Risha at Amarna
> > Letter EA 363, having the identical circumstances as noted at #2 above.
> > 4. The Hurrians are the historical Hurrians (in the Transjordan).
> > 5. The Amorites are the historical Amorites (in Lebanon).
> > 6. QD$ is attested as qd$ in Ugaritic literature, being the same name of
> > the same city in eastern Upper Galilee.
> > 7. Tidal is the Hittite kingly name Tidal. Yes, it’s a Patriarchal
> > nickname, and a nasty one at that. In context it means “Murderer”, because
> > Hittite King Suppiluliuma I seized the Hittite throne by the dastardly
> > expedient
> > of murdering his own older brother named Tidal. He’s the primary military
> > figure in the “four kings against five”, both in chapter 14 of Genesis and
> > historically in the Great Syrian War.
> > I can list more names that match the world of the mid-14th century BCE if
> > you like. I honestly do not see that as a major problem with my theory of
> > the case. On the contrary, that i-s a major problem for the view of
> > university scholars, who cannot match a single name at Genesis 14: 6-7 to
> > any
> > attested name south of the Dead Sea in the ancient world. There’s not even
> > a
> > single match on the scholarly view of the case, George. Nothing. Nada.
> > Meanwhile, I’ve got “Hurrians”, “Amorites” and “QD$” for sure, and I could
> > go
> > on.
> > George, do you realize that no university scholar has e-v-e-r asked any
> > of the following pertinent questions about names in chapter 14 of Genesis,
> > as
> > far as I have been able to determine?
> > (1) What does the Hurrian name “Arioch” mean? Is it based on a Hittite
> > word, which in turn is based on an Indo-Aryan word, and does it mean “Mr.
> > Aryan”?
> > (2) Is “Elassar” a Hittite word? If so, what does it mean, and what is
> > the significance of that?
> > (3) Do the letters in “Chedorlaomer” make perfect sense as a Ugaritic
> > curse?
> > (4) Is MLK (LM at Genesis 14: 1 in defective spelling attested in only one
> > place in the ancient world, namely at Ugarit in the 14th century BCE? What
> > is the significance of that objective fact?
> > (5) Is XCCN TMR at Genesis 14: 7 a Hurrian name?
> > If university scholars were right that it’s all non-historical fiction, why
> > then the refusal of any university scholars to investigate any of those
> > fairly obvious questions about names in chapter 14 of Genesis?
> > As you well know, Yigal Levin, an expert in Biblical geography, and a very
> > fine and open-minded person, has steadfastly refused to ever consider
> > looking north of the Dead Sea as a possible analysis of the names of
> > peoples and
> > places at Genesis 14: 6-7. Why? If it’s all fiction, why do university
> > scholars absolutely refuse to look into any of these fairly obvious
> > questions
> > about names that I raise?
> > Is there a “Big Secret” here? What’s the “Big Secret”? Why don’t any
> > of your colleagues on the planet see fit to ask the above questions about
> > names in chapter 14 of Genesis? The world would be interested in their
> > scholarly investigations, believe you me. Why does Jim Stinehart have to
> > do all
> > this work on his own? What gives?
> > It would be wonderful, wonderful, wonderful if university scholars were to
> > get interested in investigating the names in chapter 14 of Genesis, and
> > then
> > publish their findings in some forum that would be accessible to all. That
> > would be great, wouldn’t it? Why aren’t university scholars doing that,
> > George? What are you guys hiding from us? Are you hiding good news or bad
> > news? Why no scholarly investigation, at least no scholarly investigation
> > that has been published and is accessible, of the foregoing questions about
> > names in chapter 14 of Genesis?
> > Jim Stinehart
> > Evanston, Illinois
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