[b-hebrew] Would B-hebrew discuss the name Jehovah with a KJBO Christian?
smille10 at sbcglobal.net
Sun Aug 22 22:24:20 EDT 2010
I do not personally know any KJBO Christians, but I do think KJB is an
excellent translation, better than any modern Old Testament translation, but
it is not perfect. Here is an argument I would use against the doctrine
that KJB is a perfect translation:
Foremost, it is extrabiblical doctrine.
2nd, an instance where KJB proves itself not perfect:
Matt 1:22 (KJB) Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth
a son, and *they* shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is,
God with us.
This is a quote from
Isa 7:14 (KJB) ... Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and **
shall call his name Immanuel.
Matt 1:22 says "*they* shall call his name", but Isa 7:14 says "a virgin ...
shall call his name". This is a big difference. As pointed out by
counter-missionary Rabbi Tovia Singer, "What gives Matthew the right to
change the word of God?". "they shall call his name", by use of the
indefinite pronoun, means that Emmanuel is not his actual name given to him
by his parents, but that is what he is, and that is what many unnamed people
know him to be. The mother calling his name Immanuel could just be something
of what the mother is experiencing at that time.
If KJB Matt 1:22 is perfect, then KJB Isa 7:14 cannot be, and vice versa.
At the time KJB was translated, they did not have the Dead Sea Scrolls, but
relied on the Masoretic Text and the LXX. The DSS text for Isa 7:14 says,
"and they shall call His name Immanuel", which perfectly agrees with Matthew
1:22. Since Matt 1:22 is the inspired word of God, then the DSS must be the
correct text, and not the MT or LXX, for this specific verse.
While KJB did not do a bad job of translating Isa 7:14 from MT, the MT was
in error here, hence the KJB translation has an error.
Judge me, O my Lord, for I have walked,
walked in my integrity,
and I have put my trust in the Lord.
I'll not slide away from Thee. (Ps 26:1)
> From: davedonnelly1 at juno.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:17 AM
> The title of this post:
> "Would B-hebrew discuss the name Jehovah with a KJBO Christian? " is
> only a hypothetical question.
> I am not a KJBO Christian, although I am somewhat familiar with their
> I wrote the question below to a KJBO Christian on Who's your Final
> Authority / Which Bible Discussion Board.
> Would you be willing to join the B-hebrew Discussion Board and attempt
> convince the Hebrew Scholars who post on B-Hebrew, that it is they that
> are in error, not the KJB.
> What method would you use to prove to Hebrew Scholars that the
> wanted Hebrew Word #3068 to be read as "JEHOVAH" and not read as
> Since 1611, how many KJBO Christians have spent any time trying to
> convince a Hebrew Scholar that Hebrew Word #3068 should be read as
> "JEHOVAH", and not read as "Adonay"?
> Shain, It certainly would be interesting to see you and Bibleprotector
> join the B-Hebrew Discussion Board, and attempt to convince B-Hebrew
> Scholars that the correct pronunciation of Hebrew Word 3068 is
> Exodus, [a.k.a. Dave Donnelly]
> A KJBO Christian with the Discussion Board name : "Bibleprotector"
> He wrote:
> I don't know the board you refer to, or who these "Hebrew Scholars"
> but it seems like a fairly secular group to me.
> I have a more astounding and convincing way of showing that God's name
> than what they would allow.
> Would the moderators of this B-hebrew Discussion Board allow
> "Bibleprotector" to join B-hebrew and
> attempt to convince B-Hebrew members that God's name is actually
> Dave Donnelly
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