[b-hebrew] "daughter of Zion" [was: (bless? curse?) in the Book of Job]
Harold Holmyard
hholmyard3 at earthlink.net
Sun Feb 1 21:11:59 EST 2009
Doug,
>>> In Rom 9:24-27 Paul quotes Hosea 1:11 as to the gentile inclusion and
>>> which refers to the "sons of the living God" , is Paul , do you think
>>> , saying that the third child Lo-Ammi who represents these sons of the
>>> living God is the gentile inclusion. And who represents the "My
>>> people and Mercy is shown" of Hos 1:1, could they be the "sons of
>>> the living God" and thus the church.
>>
>> HH: Paul is redirecting OT words that in their original context had a
>> different meaning. He is using them in a literary way. In Hosea the
>> words are talking about the northern kingdom of Israel:
>>
>> Hosa 1:6 She conceived again and gave birth to a daughter, and the LORD
>> said to him: Name her No Compassion, for I will no longer have
>> compassion on the house of Israel. I will certainly take them away. 7
>> But I will have compassion on the house of Judah, and I will deliver
>> them by the LORD their God. I will not deliver them by bow, sword, or
>> war, or by horses and cavalry. 8 After Gomer had weaned No Compassion,
>> she conceived and gave birth to a son. 9 Then the LORD said: Name him
>> Not My People, for you are not My people, and I will not be your God.
>> 10 Yet the number of the Israelites will be like the sand of the sea,
>> which cannot be measured or counted. And in the place where they were
>> told: You are not My people, they will be called: Sons of the living
>> God. 11 And the Judeans and the Israelites will be gathered together.
>> They will appoint for themselves a single ruler, and go up from the
>> land. For the day of Jezreel will be great.
>>
>> HH: Note that verse 11 distinguishes between the Judeans and the
>> Israelites. The Israelites are those in the northern kingdom. They will
>> not be a people because in 722 B.C. the northern kingdom came to an end
>> and the people were taken into captivity by the Assyrians, who
>> transported them to other nations, never to return to Israel. Hosea
>> prophesied in the last days of the northern kingdom, during Jeroboam's
>> reign (Hos 1:1), or some time within 793-753 B.C.
So could that mean we are descendants of the 10 tribes , or are you
saying there is no link , doug belot
HH: I am saying there is no link. Paul is using words written about one
situation to describe a different one to which the words apply. Those
who were not a people will become a people.
Yours,
Harold Holmyard
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