[b-hebrew] Qohelet chapter 12
pporta at oham.net
pporta at oham.net
Wed Apr 23 01:49:54 EDT 2008
But... does it make sense "remember your health"?
What would this really mean, then?
Within this viewpoint, what would be the meaning of Qoh 12:1? Maybe an
advice to youth not to fall in vices (like drugs, sex, alcohol,
laziness...)?
Pere Porta
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> I am not a big fan of emendations to the text, but I would consider, in
> the case of 12:1's BWoR)eYKf
>
> bet-holem vav-resh-aleph-seghol-yod-khof-qamets "your creators"
>
> to be possibly B:RiY)Kf
>
> bet-shewa-resh-hireq-yod-aleph-khof-qamets "your health".
>
> The context clearly supports "your health," and the graphic distinction
> between the two is slight. I have not looked into any
> traditions/commentaries which may or may not support this emendation.
>
> Shalom,
> Bryan
>
> Ron Snider wrote:
>>> I am not in the habit of looking at foreign translations of the HB.
>>> In my Qoren edition of the TN"K the word BOR)-EY-KA is written with a
>>> yod [so also in the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia] and I see it as
>>> plural. Indeed, "Remember your Creator in the days of your youth"
>>> does not make as much sense as "Keep in mind your forebears [some
>>> old, some dead] in the days of your youth".
>>> I would relate this BR) to the BAR, 'son, child', of Proverbs 31:2
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I do agree that the participle is plural, other than than I disagree
>> completely with the rest of your response. First, the Qal stem is only
>> used of the creative activity of God in the OT. Second, the plural may
>> well be plural since Elohiym is plural. Third, the term is never used
>> in the Qal of human creations, which rules out the idea of forebears.
>> Fourth, immediate context from the previous verses suggests that this is
>> advice to a young person with respect to how he lives his life and the
>> fact that God will ultimately judge every action. Fifth, remembering
>> your forbears has nothing to do with whether or not one grows old and
>> enjoys life, Solomon has already stated repeatedly in this book that
>> real life comes from God. Eccles. 2:25-26, 5:18-20, 7:14, 9:1,9
>>
>> Lastly, while you may not feel the need to consult other translations,
>> when you digress dramatically from the orthodox understanding of a
>> verse, the burden of proof is on you to document your assertions. One
>> cannot merely say that the word means something and expect others to
>> simply accept it without proof. Since this term only appears in the Qal
>> partciple plural one time, proof is probably not available.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Ron Snider,
>> Pastor-teacher
>>
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