[b-hebrew] chalal

kenneth greifer greifer at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 9 11:23:32 EDT 2007


I thought Isaiah's prophecies were poetic also. In English, a lot of it 
sounds poetic.

Kenneth Greifer

>From: "biblical hebrew" <jcr.bhebrew at gmail.com>
>To: "kenneth greifer" <greifer at hotmail.com>
>CC: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
>Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] chalal
>Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:55:12 +0100
>
>Hi,
>
>my instinctual response to your suggestion would be that most verbs can be
>used in this way - with a literal meaning or a poetically figurative usage.
>One thing to bear in mind, though, is that you quote Psalm usage which is,
>by definition, poetic and so carries a much higher probability of 
>displaying
>the kind of figurative usage you suggest.
>
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>On 9/9/07, kenneth greifer <greifer at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > How do you know if Isaiah 53:5 "he is pierced from our sin" is meant
> > literally? "He is crushed from our transgressions" is not taken 
>literally.
> >
> > In Psalm 109:22 it says "my heart is wounded (pierced)" (the same verb),
> > but
> > the psalm writer was not stabbed in the heart.
> >
> > Maybe "pierced" was like "crushed" and not meant to be taken literally.
> >
> > Psalm 38:4 says the psalm writer is sick. Ps. 38:3 says G-d's arrows 
>have
> > descended into him. Maybe that would be like being pierced by suffering,
> > even though it does not say "pierced". Ps. 38:5 says the burden is too
> > heavy
> > for him. Maybe that is like being crushed by his suffering. Ps.38:14-15
> > says
> > the person is silent. This all sounds like someone who is acquainted 
>with
> > disease, crushed, pierced, and does not open his mouth like the person 
>in
> > Isaiah 53. Maybe this is how suffering was described in Biblical times.
> >
> > Kenneth Greifer
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