[b-hebrew] chalal - perforate/pierce?/KRH

Shoshanna Walker rosewalk at concentric.net
Thu Sep 6 19:16:31 EDT 2007


No, it's a different letter, and they are different roots, those with 
a kaf and those with a chet


Shoshana,

You are right, but for diversity there is a kaf and there is a xet.
The letter kaf is merely the letter xet turned upon its side. A he is 
a xet with a disconnected left leg, a qof is a he with an elongated 
leg, and gimel is a cross legged he.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Sep 6, 2007, at 10:41 AM, rosewalk at concentric.net wrote:

>
> Except that Kolel - the word meaning to include, is spelled with a  "kaf",
> while the other words you are mentioning are spelled with a "chet"
>
> Shoshanna
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/6/2007 1:04:17 AM Central Daylight Time,
> if at math.bu.edu
> writes:
>
> 5. The  basic meaning of XALAL is also 'to include, to enclose, to
> encompass, to comprise, to surround, to generate', except that the
> enclosed may be here but empty space, as just pointed out by  Shoshana
> Walker. Thus XALON, 'window' is the cavity or the open  space defined
> by the surrounding wall, and such is the XALIL,  'flute', the
> cylindrical [GALIL] hollow wind-pipe, and also the  MXILAH [actually
> MKILAH], 'tunnel', burrowed and included [GLULAH,  KLULAH] in the
> depth of the earth. XLL in the sense of 'profane' may  mean 'devoid or
> empty of merit'. Indeed, its opposite QD$, which is  but a variant of
> GD$, means 'packed solid with supreme value'. XALAL  in the sense of
> 'cadaver', may mean 'rolled or bent over' or  'drained of life'.
> Similarly 'MAXALAH', 'illness', may mean a lacuna  or an ill  inclusion.
> In conclusion: MXOLAL of Isaiah 53:5 is certainly not  'pierced'.
> For a more detailed discussion of these roots look up
> _www.hebrewetymology.com_ (http://www.hebrewetymology.com) .
>
>
>
>
> JW:
> This reminds me of the KRH "controversy" in 22:17. KRH clearly has a
> primary meaning of "dig" in the Jewish Bible and by usage it is
> always
> shown as a Creative act. Yet some would argue that "pierced" is the
> proper Translation even though the Hebrew words that do actually
> mean "pierced" usually have a Destructive meaning. There seems to be
> some Motivation outside of Translation which is looking for
> "pierced".
> Why do you think that is Isaac?
>
>
>
> Joseph Wallack
>
>
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