[b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14

Peter Kirk peterkirk at qaya.org
Mon Sep 19 17:21:38 EDT 2005


On 19/09/2005 20:36, Vadim Cherny wrote:

>>> Let us first consider a method. How do you expect me to prove 
>>> narrator's
>>> deictic center? Psychoanalysis? No.
>>
>>
>> OK, so you are putting forward a hypothesis which is, by your own 
>> admission, unprovable - and for the same reason is unfalsifiable. As 
>> such it can only be a speculation.
>>
>
> Of course, not. As I described, and what is a standard method of 
> scientific proof, a hypothesis can be accepted if no contradicting 
> facts can be brought against it, and if the hypothesis is simler than 
> others.


This is not proper scientific method. A hypothesis like this which 
cannot in principle be falsified cannot be established by the absence of 
falsification.

>
>> I think you need to suggest how it is even reasonable to consider 
>> that a habitual action in the past is described from a deictic centre 
>> shifted even further into the past, when there is no evidence at all 
>> for such a deictic shift.
>>
> The discussed fact of using future tense to describe past events is 
> just such evidence.
> I assume, you don't dispute that deictic shifts exist.
>
I dispute that such deictic shifts exist in Hebrew, at least unless you 
can provide evidence of them. I accept that they exist in Russian in the 
case of indirect speech and similar.

>
>>> To prove b), I invoke Russian and English examples, and show that such
>>> shifts are not alien to human mentality.
>>
>>
>> The English example, "would" for a past habit, certainly does not 
>> indicate a deictic shift into the past.
>
>
> I can settle for calling that idiomatic usage, and then we can discuss 
> whether that idiomatic usage originally arose from deictic center shifts.


It did not. It arose from the past tense of the verb "will" = "want".

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