Read, James C
K0434995 at kingston.ac.uk
Mon Sep 19 03:50:52 EDT 2005
Am I to understand that you are a jew that does not believe in the
exodus? Yet give such honour to Redford? This really is remarkable!
That would be like meeting a Christian that does not believe in
salvation yet gives full credence to the Da Vinci Code book.
Anyway, I didn't Raamses in the 10th century and your misunderstanding
on this is based on a (bad) interpretation of what I wrote. I was saying
that both a date of tenth century for the exodus and the concurrent pharoah
being RaamsesII were demonstrably false. That you tie the two together
is your own perogative but not what I intended you to understand.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of Yitzhak Sapir
> Sent: Sun 9/18/2005 3:11 PM
> To: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Raamses
> On 9/18/05, Read, James C wrote:
> > Dear Yitzhak,
> > Raamses II is accredited to being of the 13th century. His name means
> > begotten of Ra (the son god) i.e. Ra's son. It was believed that he was
> > the pharoah of the exodus based on inscriptions claiming that he built
> > the city of the same name by use of slavery. However, this assumption
> > is weak because the city he built (per-ramses) was described as the
> > capital city of his time and as such should not be connected with the
> > mere storage place of the biblical ramses. Furthermore, the exodus
> > (circa 1513) happened 200 -300 years before his reign and so the
> > exodus could not have started from a city which had not even been built
> > yet.
> I am not interested in discussing the historicity of the Exodus, and don't
> think it would contribute much to the list. I don't think there is a suitable
> historical background which can be applied to the Exodus. Nevertheless,
> I'm glad you looked up the date of Ramesses now, and also that you
> quote Redford.
> The following link describes the viewpoint that the Exodus occurred in the
> 13th century. Generally, I had been aware of reasons 3 - 7 as those
> given for such a dating:
> Again, don't discuss this with me. If you want, I suggest you contact
> the author of that post yourself. I see he's posted recently to that
> > D.B Redford comments 'Biblical Raamses and the capital Pr
> > R'-ms-sw, apart from the personal name, seem to have nothing in
> > common. In the lack of corroborative evidence it is absolutely essential
> > to exercise caution in equating the two' (Vetus Testamentum, Leiden,
> > page 410, 1963
> This is just great that you quote Redford. Redford also apparently deals
> with the subject in his "Egypt, Canaan and Israel in Ancient Times"
> (1992), and in an article in "Exodus: The Egyptian Evidence" (1997).
> I haven't read either, but here is a review that you might find useful of the
> second: http://www.denverseminary.edu/dj/articles1998/0100/0113.php
> As for your chronology, usually Solomon is dated to the mid 10th century
> based on synchronism with Shoshenq's attack 5 years after his reign. It
> is also possible to count the reigns of the kings from Solomon onwards.
> But this is not the place to get into chronological issues.
> Yitzhak Sapir
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