[b-hebrew] gutturals and composite shewa, Peter Kirk

kgraham0938 at comcast.net kgraham0938 at comcast.net
Tue Sep 6 13:21:17 EDT 2005


Hey Peter, can you show some examples of  composite shewa's that are qamets and patahs not under qutturals when  you have time.

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Kelton Graham 
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> On 06/09/2005 13:35, Yigal Levin wrote: 
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> >>From: 
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> >>>Kelton Graham asked: 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>Hey is there a rule that only gutterals can have composite shewa? 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>Then check the second occurrence of YHWH in Judges 16:28, 
> >>>and you will find that there is a composite shewa [e.g. Hatef-Segol] 
> >>>under the yod, 
> >>>which is not a guttural letter. 
> >>> 
> >>>Apparently rules were meant to be broken. 
> >>> 
> >>>Dave Donnelly 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> > 
> > This is because this particular instance of YHWH, like most others that 
> > follow the word Adonai, is meant to be vocalized "Elohim" (traditionally 
> > translated "Lord God"). The hataph-segol under the yod represents the 
> > hataph-segol under the aleph in elohim, which is guttural. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> But in that case why are only three examples of YHWH to be pronounced 
> Elohim pointed in this way? 
> 
> 
> > Yes, rules are meant to be broken. This is simply not a good example. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> For what it's worth, in the Westminster Leningrad Codex text I found: 
> 
> 9 cases of hataf segol (4 excluding Aramaic) 
> 166 cases of hataf patah (160 excluding Aramaic) 
> 235 cases of hataf qamats (177 excluding Aramaic) 
> 
> following non-guttural consonants in the Hebrew Bible. But I understand 
> that different Hebrew texts differ significantly on this. 
> 
> Of the 9 cases of hataf segol, three are the divine name (Gen 15:2,8, 
> Jdg 16:28), five are in Aramaic, and only one, $E/$.:EZFPA73T/:NIY in 
> Song of Songs 1:6, is an actual Hebrew word. 
> 
> So, it seems that, at least in the Leningrad text, Dave's rule is fairly 
> commonly broken by hataf patah and hataf qamats, but not by hataf segol. 
> 
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